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SLChatr: Reverse Chronological Group Transcript for longhouse 2007-08-05:
[18:40:54] Ina Centaur: hi cameron
[18:41:12] Cameron Switchblade: hi ina
[18:41:17] Cameron Switchblade: am I early?
[18:41:24] Ina Centaur: a few minutes ;-)
[18:41:31] Ina Centaur: here for the Atlas Shrugged discussion?
[18:41:43] Cameron Switchblade: yes. what chapter are we up to ?
[18:42:00] Ina Centaur: today is 8/4 ... so we're on chapter 4
[18:42:20] Cameron Switchblade: oh I see
[18:42:53] Cameron Switchblade: I haven't had a chance to play around with voice yet. have you?
[18:43:12] Ina Centaur: haven't had much of a chance either
[18:43:20] Ina Centaur: it seems to fail randomly
[18:43:39] Cameron Switchblade: I was wondering how good the quality could be
[18:43:52] Cameron Switchblade: Hi Lauren
[18:43:59] Lauren Weyland: whew.....Atlas Shrugged..great
[18:44:02] Lauren Weyland: Hi Cameron
[18:57:39] Ina Centaur: HTTP://atlasshrugged.inacentaur.com
[18:57:54] Ina Centaur: hi jordana
[18:58:55] Jordana McMahon: going to be away for a minute
[18:59:15] Ina Centaur: hi nakaima
[19:01:50] Object: Hello, Avatar!
[19:02:35] Object: Hello, Avatar!
[19:03:22] Lauren Weyland: /i'll be in and out.....during this...so will read history
[19:03:41] Ina Centaur: hi abaris
[19:05:48] Cameron Switchblade: brb
[19:08:11] Ina Centaur: testing..
[19:09:17] Lauren Weyland: testing what?
[19:09:25] Ina Centaur: anyone who's not AFK say... AYE
[19:09:34] Lauren Weyland: AFK
[19:09:35] Jordana McMahon: aye
[19:09:41] Lauren Weyland: WHY
[19:09:41] Ina Centaur: lol
[19:09:43] Nakaima Oh: afk? probably aye
[19:09:47] Ina Centaur: hehe
[19:10:02] Ina Centaur: well, i guess everyone's out partying and being un-nerdly on saturday night...
[19:10:08] Ina Centaur: so... we might as well begin our discussion now
[19:10:12] Nakaima Oh: for a moment I thought this might be a telepathy group.:)
[19:10:19] Ina Centaur: chapter 4... the immovable movers
[19:10:37] Ina Centaur: (hehe, was stalling for drama, nak ;-P )
[19:11:01] Ina Centaur: so chapter 4... who do you think are the immovable movers? and ... are they really immovable?
[19:11:51] Jordana McMahon: I think Dagny is immovable in this chapter
[19:12:11] Jordana McMahon: Immovable in the sense of strang determined
[19:12:14] Jordana McMahon: strong
[19:12:31] Ina Centaur: and Rearden and Conway?
[19:12:47] Jordana McMahon: I don't think Conway
[19:12:52] Jordana McMahon: he seems beaten
[19:13:04] Jordana McMahon: reardon yes
[19:13:29] Ina Centaur: what do you think Rand meant by "immovable" ?
[19:14:27] Lauren Weyland: /well francisco is a pompoous ass and so is taggart
[19:14:27] Ina Centaur: (welcome autov)
[19:14:44] Ina Centaur: oh why is F pompous?
[19:14:59] Jordana McMahon: I thought she meant possessing conviction about their direction
[19:15:24] Jordana McMahon: onmovable but unstoppable
[19:15:37] Lauren Weyland: why
[19:15:50] Ina Centaur: yes... even if the world collapses, the heroes would still attempt to go on..
[19:15:54] Lauren Weyland: because he is at the hotel...he knows what has happened in Mexico
[19:16:02] Nakaima Oh: I rhink she really is saying there are certain people who are pillars that everything else revolves around.
[19:16:03] Lauren Weyland: and he knows James was a partner...
[19:16:20] Lauren Weyland: and in a crisis...even though James said he found Francisco a bore
[19:16:40] Lauren Weyland: Francisco as the GP brought everyone in..should not have refused to talk to James
[19:17:18] Jordana McMahon: why id he refuse to talk to James do you think
[19:17:27] Ina Centaur: (hi grace)
[19:17:37] Grace McDunnough: (hello ;-0)
[19:17:45] Jordana McMahon: hi grace
[19:18:23] Ina Centaur: yes, lauren, why do you think F would refuse to talk to J?
[19:18:32] Autov Forder: hi folks. Didin't mean to intrude, but the idea of a literary discussionin SL seemed fascinating
[19:18:33] Lauren Weyland: well I think Ayn Rand
[19:18:44] Grace McDunnough: Join us Autov
[19:18:47] Ina Centaur: and Nakaima, that's definitely one way to interpret immovable movers :-)
[19:18:56] Lauren Weyland: actually wanted to show us the clever thought of him turning down James as a bore..when james said it before.
[19:19:10] Autov Forder: I'll have to wait a moment for things to rezz
[19:19:11] Lauren Weyland: I think it was a moment of Ayn Rand elitist behaviour
[19:20:02] Ina Centaur: well, what do you think of J's own perspective of F?
[19:20:08] Autov Forder: she does seem rather elitist
[19:20:14] Lauren Weyland: oh...J is pompous too
[19:20:23] Lauren Weyland: they all are....in there way...Hey question
[19:20:26] Ina Centaur: and... the fact that he was never asked to purchase the San Sebastian Mine stocks..
[19:20:34] Ina Centaur: he rather "begged" them off Francisco
[19:20:36] Lauren Weyland: did anyone find it odd that Dabny's apartment
[19:20:41] Lauren Weyland: was only two rooms?
[19:21:02] Ina Centaur: well, it's like Rearden's simplicity in his furniture
[19:21:03] Lauren Weyland: (of course the glass looking like the front of a locomotive was easy)
[19:21:05] Autov Forder: she is a rather straight-forward person
[19:21:18] Ina Centaur: she probably had it custom designed to suit her elegance
[19:21:18] Lauren Weyland: yes .....but no one in power has two rooms
[19:21:23] Lauren Weyland: like a bathroom
[19:21:25] Lauren Weyland: and what room
[19:21:30] Autov Forder: she doesnt' seem to need the trappings of power and luxury
[19:21:31] Ina Centaur: moreover, it's the top floor of a major skyscraper
[19:21:54] Lauren Weyland: yes I know that is why she wrote it that way
[19:21:55] Autov Forder: maybe they are very biiiiig rooms!
[19:22:01] Ina Centaur: lol
[19:22:03] Lauren Weyland: but there are no two room penthouses in the world
[19:22:27] Ina Centaur: you can always wipe away the walls it came with and do your own interior design
[19:22:48] Lauren Weyland: maybe each room is 3000 sq feet
[19:23:02] Autov Forder: I should say I read the boo last summer, so I'm ahead in a way, but also not sure just where you are in the story
[19:23:14] Grace McDunnough: Ch 4
[19:23:16] Ina Centaur: we are in chapter 4, autov..
[19:23:20] Ina Centaur: for august 4th ;-)
[19:23:34] Ina Centaur: "a chapter a day for each day of august... grand crazy symposium on the 31st on galt's speech" ;-P
[19:23:45] Grace McDunnough: Ina has cleverly disguised her torture with the days/dates to match the chapters
[19:23:54] Ina Centaur: (the experiment is to see whether there'd be anyone left on the 15th)
[19:23:54] Autov Forder: except I don't have the book handy. And didn't memorize all the details like chapter numbers!
[19:24:12] Grace McDunnough: Ina ...
[19:24:15] Ina Centaur: yup grace ;-P
[19:24:23] Lauren Weyland: /torture...Ina.....never....
[19:24:26] Ina Centaur: well, here's a brief plot summary for chapter 4...
[19:24:30] Autov Forder: Matching the chapters to the date is clever
[19:24:40] Jordana McMahon: torture doesn't seem fair
[19:24:59] Grace McDunnough: Who can read just a chapter a day?
[19:25:09] Ina Centaur: (oh grace but this is ever so fun! not to mention y'all won't be assigned a letter grade for this.)
[19:25:15] Grace McDunnough: That qualifies as torture, IMHO
[19:25:22] Ina Centaur: oh i wanted to do a book a day... but i think that was pushing it ;-P
[19:25:27] Grace McDunnough: LOL
[19:25:28] Jordana McMahon: lol
[19:25:29] Autov Forder: That would be a challenge -reading at a set pace
[19:25:57] Grace McDunnough: I hated this chapter, by the way
[19:25:58] Lauren Weyland: I want the Letter L ok?
[19:26:06] Lauren Weyland: so did I grace
[19:26:18] Lauren Weyland: omg...someone else who disliked the chapter
[19:26:19] Jordana McMahon: I liked this chapter better than last
[19:26:22] Ina Centaur: summary... Immovable Movers... Dagny wanders through the streets, disgusted and depressed at the state of the world. James is convinced that he'd beat his sister when he reports to the board her treatment of the San Sebestian Mines... but, the SSM's get nationalized before he gets his triumph
[19:26:58] Ina Centaur: Then James goes ahead and reports to the board that all's well since *he* had forseen all this and has replaced the SSM diesels with woodburning loco's etc
[19:27:00] Lauren Weyland: and the contractor has disappeared
[19:27:18] Grace McDunnough: McNamara .. has been assimilated
[19:27:22] Jordana McMahon: the villain gets a ruling past that ruins a competiter
[19:27:26] Ina Centaur: and then, the Anti-Dog-Eat-Dog-Rule gets enacted, and Dan Conway is forced to close down his Phoenix-Durango Line in about 9 months
[19:27:57] Ina Centaur: Dagny attempts to revitalize him, get him to fight... But, Dan realizes this isn't a fight he can win.
[19:28:30] Grace McDunnough: He chooses not to fight
[19:28:31] Ina Centaur: oh good word, grace ;-P assimilation
[19:28:35] Ina Centaur: resistance is futile, yes!
[19:28:38] Autov Forder: wow - you type fast ;-)
[19:28:38] Grace McDunnough: :)
[19:29:00] Ina Centaur: oh why do you hate this chapter btw?
[19:29:37] Ina Centaur: well.. other than the fact that poor conway gets screwed...
[19:29:44] Ina Centaur: do you hate the events or the presentation?
[19:29:48] Grace McDunnough: It was not well written.
[19:29:59] Grace McDunnough: The pace was poor, it was choppy
[19:30:05] Grace McDunnough: rushed - IMHO
[19:30:08] Lauren Weyland: yes...again I agree with grace
[19:30:10] Ina Centaur: yes, too many parts in the chapter
[19:30:27] Lauren Weyland: wow...I grace...exactly how I felt after a great chapter 3
[19:30:48] Grace McDunnough: And ... the name Anti-Dog-Eat-Dog .. ugh that was horrific
[19:30:59] Lauren Weyland: but Nomad is happy
[19:31:06] Jordana McMahon: I agree who would say that
[19:31:10] Ina Centaur: nomad?
[19:31:19] Ina Centaur: the name perfectly summarizes the bill though... and...
[19:31:29] Ina Centaur: also makes it evident that it's injustice
[19:31:35] Grace McDunnough: Which is why it'swrong
[19:31:35] Lauren Weyland: no one would write a bill like that
[19:31:36] Ina Centaur: unjust, rather
[19:31:41] Lauren Weyland: it would be...dif
[19:31:46] Ina Centaur: it helps you see how messed up the society has become
[19:31:49] Grace McDunnough: It's a bill enacted by those that don't speak directly about their actions
[19:32:04] Ina Centaur: that a bunch of people would gather and call themselves the national rarilroad alliance.. then vote to enact which one would die
[19:32:05] Lauren Weyland: here is a thought I had....the book made me think this
[19:32:14] Nakaima Oh: Remember this waspublished n 1957
[19:32:21] Lauren Weyland: Ayn Rand wrote this 50 years ago.
[19:32:32] Ina Centaur: yes, 50th anniversary :-)
[19:32:36] Lauren Weyland: premise is failure...but 50 years later...we are stilll here.
[19:32:45] Lauren Weyland: we have cell phones...
[19:32:48] Ina Centaur: so, incidentally, the Ayn Rand Institute also runs an essay contest on Atlas Shrugged
[19:32:48] Lauren Weyland: SL
[19:32:52] Lauren Weyland: and sex too
[19:33:00] Lauren Weyland: she was wrong
[19:33:06] Ina Centaur: (it's for college students, however. they've raised the price to 10k this year, though.)
[19:33:30] Ina Centaur: oh lauren, but we might be on the verge of failure though...
[19:33:38] Ina Centaur: remember the lights of NY dying away last summer?
[19:33:38] Lauren Weyland: we always are..
[19:33:44] Nakaima Oh: She is still the foundation of certain conservative thought
[19:33:46] Ina Centaur: and SF, w/o electricity for half a day just last month..
[19:33:48] Lauren Weyland: start with the pyramics
[19:33:51] Lauren Weyland: pyramids
[19:33:54] Autov Forder: a balance is needed between the all out capitalism Rand was advocating, and the all out strawman of socialism she was attacking
[19:33:57] Lauren Weyland: they should be demolished
[19:34:11] Lauren Weyland: they were built by the James Taggarts
[19:34:54] Ina Centaur: no, taggart would not have been able to build the pyramids
[19:35:05] Lauren Weyland: yes Ina..his father..
[19:35:08] Lauren Weyland: excuse me
[19:35:11] Grace McDunnough: Indeed .. more like Roark constructions ;-)
[19:35:36] Ina Centaur: yes :-)
[19:35:51] Ina Centaur: but why should the pyramids be demolished?
[19:36:56] Ina Centaur: dog eat dog sand dunes?
[19:37:10] Grace McDunnough: /me groans
[19:37:29] Ina Centaur: heh heh
[19:37:57] Autov Forder: I can see that they shoudl never have been built - slave labor used to glorify one man. But now that they exist, there is no reason to destroy them
[19:38:02] Lauren Weyland: why?
[19:38:09] Lauren Weyland: because they were built by slave labor
[19:38:18] Lauren Weyland: they are a monument to the powerful
[19:38:22] Lauren Weyland: not to the labor
[19:38:31] Lauren Weyland: those who died are not memoralized
[19:38:35] Lauren Weyland: the pharohs are
[19:38:50] Ina Centaur: hmm, but would the pyramids have been built with just a bunch of slaves and no pharoh?
[19:38:51] Lauren Weyland: (sorry off track...haa haa...so to railroad speak)
[19:38:51] Nakaima Oh: Now aren't they just a feature of the planet?
[19:39:13] Lauren Weyland: /we have done alot her in America withut slaves...lately
[19:39:23] Ina Centaur: well, i think the pyramids are on track
[19:39:30] Ina Centaur: slightly off tangent, but i can see where it relates
[19:39:36] Ina Centaur: so i'm curious on exploring the subject a slight bit more..
[19:39:53] Ina Centaur: so... suppose there were never pharohs... and slaves could just do whatever...
[19:39:57] Autov Forder: most great monuments are not "practial" and were built by questionable labor practices
[19:40:02] Ina Centaur: do you think the pyramids --- or buildings of the same caliber --- would ever have resulted?
[19:40:11] Autov Forder: there is always a need to leaders to guide the masses
[19:40:11] Lauren Weyland: no
[19:40:16] Autov Forder: people with vision
[19:40:17] Lauren Weyland: but doesn't matter
[19:40:46] Lauren Weyland: do you think the promiscuity of Claudius resulted in Da Vinci and therefore is commendable?
[19:40:46] Ina Centaur: doesn't matter, lauren?
[19:40:58] Lauren Weyland: (eekes..I'll shut up)
[19:41:03] Ina Centaur: how does Claudius relate to da Vinci?
[19:41:22] Autov Forder: i was wondering that too
[19:41:28] Lauren Weyland: hey...who knows...could be his ...great greast....something...call Dan Brown and ask him
[19:41:53] Lauren Weyland: just mean....the means doesn't justify the middle or the end
[19:41:59] Lauren Weyland: not matter how beautiful
[19:42:19] Lauren Weyland: American Slavery was shit
[19:42:37] Lauren Weyland: look how wonderful black America is....and has been...
[19:42:38] Ina Centaur: well, what do you think of the source of cheap consumer goods?
[19:42:41] Lauren Weyland: sorry
[19:42:46] Autov Forder: perhaps it is like evolution - humanity needs adversity to grow and evolve
[19:42:52] Lauren Weyland: to keep us from rebeling
[19:43:04] Autov Forder: it needs "mutations" in the form of people with vision
[19:43:28] Autov Forder: the mutations are not always advantageous
[19:43:44] Autov Forder: but occasionally a good "mutation" will come along
[19:44:08] Lauren Weyland: Ok...well call up Darwin...
[19:45:08] Ina Centaur: (hi vajra)
[19:45:09] Nakaima Oh: I think Rand is saying there really are superior people and we should leave them alone to build their railroads. It's all very trickle down.
[19:45:23] Lauren Weyland: I think all the stuff made by slave labor
[19:45:36] Lauren Weyland: should be given to the rrightful heirs to do as they please
[19:45:52] Lauren Weyland: I am sorry if I offend anyone..but I am adamant on this
[19:45:56] Ina Centaur: who are the rightful heirs, lauren?
[19:46:10] Lauren Weyland: I love all the various races and thoughts of good in our world
[19:46:13] Ina Centaur: yes nakaima, the wealth can be trickle down
[19:46:13] Vajra Raymaker: Hi Ina
[19:46:19] Vajra Raymaker: and all
[19:46:19] Lauren Weyland: without them all we would eat chicken one way
[19:46:22] Lauren Weyland: boiled
[19:46:31] Ina Centaur: the heroes would create something, and then thousands would benefit, in their own ways... whether harmful or not..
[19:46:35] Grace McDunnough: /me was thinking fried ...
[19:46:40] Lauren Weyland: the wealth seems more to tickle down
[19:46:44] Autov Forder: but there is also a fine line - the leader who "exploits" slave labor may in the long run improve the overall situation
[19:47:02] Lauren Weyland: now...Bill gates...Steve Jobs..they earn there keep
[19:47:05] Ina Centaur: (KFC is an int'l phenomenon)
[19:47:07] Lauren Weyland: Larry Ellison is a jerk
[19:47:08] Nakaima Oh: Nothing really ever trickles down.
[19:47:18] Ina Centaur: well, let's take Edison...
[19:47:22] Ina Centaur: he invents the lightbulb...
[19:47:23] Autov Forder: it ther ewas no concentration of power and welth, many advances would never happen
[19:47:24] Ina Centaur: and boom...
[19:47:30] Ina Centaur: we have sirens, police car stuff, street lamps
[19:47:35] Lauren Weyland: yes I agree Autov
[19:47:43] Ina Centaur: thousands of companies get the benefit of Edison's lightbul
[19:47:43] Ina Centaur: b
[19:47:55] Ina Centaur: trickle trickle, nakaima ;-)
[19:47:55] Autov Forder: it is not a "zero sum game"
[19:47:56] Lauren Weyland: yes
[19:48:07] Lauren Weyland: Ina...where do you think you are going with Edison?
[19:48:20] Jordana McMahon: everyone should have the opportunity to become great
[19:48:25] Ina Centaur: lauren, edison was just in reply to nakaima on trickle-down
[19:48:30] Lauren Weyland: I think bright, risk takers who are right should inherit
[19:48:31] Grace McDunnough: I think she's trying to shed some light ...
[19:48:38] Autov Forder: the idea of "all boats rise with the tide" seems apropos here
[19:48:40] Jordana McMahon: lol
[19:48:43] Ina Centaur: oh punny grace
[19:48:46] Ina Centaur: /me smacks grace >.<
[19:48:49] Lauren Weyland: I think dull laggards who inherit and do little should be stripped
[19:48:53] Grace McDunnough: /me hangs her head
[19:49:06] Lauren Weyland: haa ha Grace..
[19:49:18] Lauren Weyland: just read that...I THINK GRACE IS GREAT tonight
[19:49:30] Autov Forder: the fruits of Edison's work (and the work of others) has helped everyone
[19:49:30] Lauren Weyland: Let her say Grace
[19:49:42] Lauren Weyland: so what...it wasn't done with slavery
[19:49:53] Lauren Weyland: and Taggart sees them all as slaves
[19:49:57] Grace McDunnough: So Lauren .. given that Rand thinks that there is no greatness without great sacrifice and .. that selfishness isa virtue .. how would she interpret slavery
[19:50:13] Lauren Weyland: not important whether they are or not. Important how the impotent lead us to disgrace.
[19:50:20] Lauren Weyland: Check the stock market on friday
[19:51:07] Ina Centaur: black friday?
[19:51:38] Lauren Weyland: no..last friday..all known Dec 2005 that the James Taggarts would produce another San Sebastian Line
[19:52:01] Ina Centaur: ?
[19:52:10] Lauren Weyland: yet....they don't care...and they will only go to Miss to catch a Ebbers..and never to where the source is
[19:52:17] Lauren Weyland: Hank Reardon is kewl
[19:52:21] Lauren Weyland: he's the real thing
[19:52:27] Lauren Weyland: Dabny is kewl
[19:52:31] Lauren Weyland: she is the real thing
[19:52:37] Lauren Weyland: Doesn't matter man or woman
[19:52:44] Lauren Weyland: matters what you are deep
[19:52:52] Lauren Weyland: sorry
[19:52:58] Lauren Weyland: ooops...Ina slap me
[19:53:28] Lauren Weyland: just us girls left
[19:53:31] Nakaima Oh: These are the Rand ideal people.
[19:53:50] Grace McDunnough: Oh .. we lost ... um .. Autov
[19:53:53] Lauren Weyland: ha and we are all in voice too
[19:54:13] Lauren Weyland: yeah..I scared him...a loud woman..ranting...he ran
[19:54:14] Jordana McMahon: my voice isn't working I don't think
[19:54:23] Grace McDunnough: Voice is wonky today
[19:54:37] Lauren Weyland: yeah...my voice seems deeper then usual
[19:54:40] Nakaima Oh: No vocice for me yet either
[19:55:05] Lauren Weyland: Ina is gone too?
[19:55:06] Ina Centaur: yeah, ideally we could have this discussion via text chat
[19:55:22] Ina Centaur: i notified a few objectivist mailing lists on this... dunno if they're following along or might join in
[19:55:23] Lauren Weyland: sorry ina...
[19:55:30] Ina Centaur: oh i'm here.
[19:55:36] Grace McDunnough: Otherwise .. the SLchatr is on radio silence
[19:55:43] Ina Centaur: so anyway, we were talking about the pyramids
[19:55:46] Lauren Weyland: i came in on the 'radical' list
[19:55:47] Ina Centaur: slave labor
[19:56:00] Ina Centaur: should all things created by slaves be demolished?
[19:56:09] Lauren Weyland: the pyramids..no dif then the San Sabastian line
[19:56:11] Ina Centaur: and.. would that have wasted the lives of the slaves who died creating it?
[19:56:14] Lauren Weyland: just better material
[19:56:25] Ina Centaur: SSL wasn't via slave labor though
[19:56:26] Nakaima Oh: Well, aren't we saying destroy history then?
[19:56:28] Jordana McMahon: I think so Ina
[19:56:32] Lauren Weyland: lead to nowhere...but pompousness
[19:56:42] Lauren Weyland: YES>>>>>>>>a lot of it
[19:56:52] Lauren Weyland: shorten history to less chapters
[19:57:01] Jordana McMahon: whether they wanted to or not the work of slaves may be amazing
[19:57:03] Ina Centaur: so... we should destroy the white house, as well, i gather?
[19:57:04] Nakaima Oh: if we forget we might do it again
[19:57:09] Lauren Weyland: leave out the pyramids..and let in Genghis Khan
[19:57:22] Ina Centaur: let's see... most of the 7 great wonders of the world
[19:57:28] Ina Centaur: stonehenge as well, i gather
[19:57:30] Jordana McMahon: if we destroy their work we might forget
[19:57:32] Lauren Weyland: ok..one Chapter
[19:57:36] Ina Centaur: have to turn it into the pebbles range
[19:57:39] Lauren Weyland: Less we Forget title
[19:58:04] Lauren Weyland: so what...let's build the new 7 wonders with people like us
[19:58:15] Lauren Weyland: we can....we will...Dabny and Hank did
[19:58:20] Ina Centaur: yes, and then we'd have to worry about funding
[19:58:25] Ina Centaur: and finding competent people
[19:58:37] Ina Centaur: and placating the angry historians
[19:58:44] Lauren Weyland: that's the gist of Atlas Shrugged....
[19:58:50] Ina Centaur: and risk world war
[19:58:50] Lauren Weyland: the continuation of incomptency
[19:59:00] Lauren Weyland: over the value of truth and objectivity
[19:59:07] Ina Centaur: /me smacks Lauren
[19:59:15] Ina Centaur: ok defend your assertion.
[19:59:20] Jordana McMahon: oops
[19:59:29] Grace McDunnough: /me gets some popcorn
[19:59:45] Lauren Weyland: ok....James..and his cronies....are incompetents
[20:00:04] Ina Centaur: dagny and her ponies... are competents
[20:00:07] Lauren Weyland: bent of continuing their incompentacy and are prob loved by their wives and mothers
[20:00:16] Jordana McMahon: ponies
[20:00:18] Lauren Weyland: at least james is loved by his wife. Chapter 4
[20:00:32] Lauren Weyland: Hank and Dabny are outcasts...
[20:00:32] Ina Centaur: bent of continuing their competency and are prob loved by their fellow ponies
[20:00:40] Lauren Weyland: but without them...all would fail
[20:00:47] Lauren Weyland: to build the pyramids or not
[20:00:50] Ina Centaur: james isn't married, lauren...
[20:00:51] Lauren Weyland: that is not the question
[20:00:57] Ina Centaur: betty is just some girl he had some one night stand with
[20:01:06] Lauren Weyland: ok....well someone is in Chapter 4 and she is nice to him
[20:01:14] Ina Centaur: oh, is she nice?
[20:01:14] Lauren Weyland: ok....
[20:01:27] Lauren Weyland: I can't remember...the vodka is kicking in
[20:01:44] Jordana McMahon: she wants to have sish kabob for dinner
[20:01:54] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:01:58] Lauren Weyland: ok Grace...let me ask you
[20:02:03] Ina Centaur: yes but she also insults him a bit, and his work as well
[20:02:07] Ina Centaur: sorta calls him a sissy ;-)
[20:02:11] Lauren Weyland: the smartest one tonight of all (sorry everyone else)
[20:02:21] Grace McDunnough: eek
[20:02:41] Lauren Weyland: what do you think...should we idolize the golden calf or not....ie. pyramids
[20:03:31] Lauren Weyland: ha...didn't leave you much room in that question to wiggle
[20:04:04] Grace McDunnough: Frankly, no great thing is accomplished without leadership .. and those that play the "slave" role .. I'm not condoning slavery, but there are a vast array of people that are skilled, and that prefer to simply execute, frankly, rather than think or even rebel against inhumaity
[20:04:22] Lauren Weyland: I agree Grace
[20:04:25] Grace McDunnough: it is this equation that serves the greater good
[20:04:32] Lauren Weyland: and they don't need to be paid much
[20:04:38] Lauren Weyland: nor do they need health care
[20:04:45] Lauren Weyland: but they do deserve to be free
[20:05:10] Lauren Weyland: (grace you may kick me later...I will understand)
[20:05:11] Grace McDunnough: Agreed, but in my mind, if you are not thinking, you are indeed .. not free
[20:05:23] Lauren Weyland: OMG...Grace is our leader
[20:05:44] Lauren Weyland: you are very right grace....crap...I concede and kill myself for lack of thought
[20:05:50] Ina Centaur: yes... yes she is :-)
[20:05:58] Ina Centaur: please think harder, lauren
[20:05:59] Grace McDunnough: LOL nah, just go build me a pyramid ;-)
[20:06:10] Lauren Weyland: ys ma'am
[20:06:15] Grace McDunnough: /me giggles
[20:06:16] Lauren Weyland: how many cubits?
[20:07:02] Grace McDunnough: OK I have to take a short break, please excuse me .. brb
[20:07:46] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:07:54] Ina Centaur: so how about this... something closer to home
[20:07:57] Jordana McMahon: <--thinking
[20:08:04] Ina Centaur: we have cheap mexican labor. this helps us get cheap food and cheap houses.
[20:08:15] Lauren Weyland: 'while grace looks up cubits'
[20:08:19] Lauren Weyland: we continue
[20:08:20] Ina Centaur: also, cheap labor is actually what the mexicans want
[20:08:26] Lauren Weyland: Ok Ina
[20:08:31] Lauren Weyland: Glad you brought that up
[20:08:34] Ina Centaur: the dollar can buy a whole lot in their home country
[20:08:37] Lauren Weyland: ready for a side salvo
[20:08:48] Ina Centaur: it's a different set of values for both the US and Mexicans
[20:09:02] Ina Centaur: it's almost a mutualism... if not for...
[20:09:11] Ina Centaur: people who think their jobs are getting stolen by these Mexicans...
[20:09:19] Ina Centaur: people who... also reap in the benefits of cheap labor
[20:09:23] Lauren Weyland: Ok...a whole bunch of Americans...sit around saying,,"oh my I am an environmentalist..Al Gore and Michael Moore"
[20:09:33] Lauren Weyland: and yet...go to there homes..
[20:09:37] Lauren Weyland: turn something over.
[20:09:46] Lauren Weyland: did they ever read Upton Sinclair
[20:09:48] Lauren Weyland: I think not
[20:09:53] Lauren Weyland: or they would know
[20:09:56] Lauren Weyland: the slave shops
[20:10:03] Ina Centaur: so?
[20:10:03] Lauren Weyland: the women indentured
[20:10:09] Lauren Weyland: the pollution and crap
[20:10:14] Ina Centaur: so, they know this. we all know about nike and sweat shops
[20:10:16] Lauren Weyland: as they look below and see
[20:10:21] Lauren Weyland: Made In China
[20:10:32] Lauren Weyland: and today Russia seized the North Pole
[20:10:37] Lauren Weyland: how delightful is that
[20:10:41] Ina Centaur: but yet... we can't resist not owning a pair of Nikes... not because they're better than Reeboks... but just because there is some sort of appeal that pulls us in despite its evils
[20:10:42] Lauren Weyland: claimed it'all Theres
[20:10:43] Ina Centaur: what is that?
[20:11:01] Lauren Weyland: read the new...Russia just captured Santa Claus
[20:11:06] Lauren Weyland: news
[20:11:22] Lauren Weyland: yeah...well I am as bad as all
[20:11:26] Lauren Weyland: I got divorced
[20:11:35] Ina Centaur: no, i'm asking... what do you think the appeal with Nike is all about?
[20:11:36] Lauren Weyland: and my whole home is Made In China
[20:11:43] Lauren Weyland: marketing
[20:11:54] Ina Centaur: how does marketing work?
[20:11:57] Lauren Weyland: I could sell you stuff you never wanted
[20:12:09] Lauren Weyland: ok...it works slowly and fails quickly
[20:12:26] Lauren Weyland: where is Atlas when you need him?"
[20:12:29] Ina Centaur: nike's don't fit most people's feet.. and yet we all buy them
[20:12:33] Ina Centaur: why?
[20:12:37] Lauren Weyland: I don't own a pair
[20:12:43] Lauren Weyland: I only wear red shoes
[20:12:50] Lauren Weyland: candy apple red
[20:12:54] Lauren Weyland: except to work
[20:13:06] Lauren Weyland: and then I go as 'one of the people
[20:13:07] Ina Centaur: http://www.footsteps.at/media/schuhe/THE-NIKE-RED.jpg
[20:13:10] Ina Centaur: that's for you lauren
[20:13:44] Lauren Weyland: not what I wear////I will show you
[20:13:46] Ina Centaur: anyway, though... what is behind the marketing?
[20:14:20] Jordana McMahon: wanting to be like the people who wear them
[20:14:42] Ina Centaur: yes, there's the creation of want
[20:14:45] Lauren Weyland: there they are
[20:14:53] Lauren Weyland: any one else like to see them
[20:14:53] Ina Centaur: create popularity
[20:14:59] Lauren Weyland: my candy apple red shoes?
[20:15:13] Ina Centaur: (they're actually more raspberrY)
[20:15:14] Lauren Weyland: Nakaima?
[20:15:25] Nakaima Oh: sorry?
[20:15:46] Lauren Weyland: you need never be sorry ...disappointed haa ha (i'm joking)
[20:15:59] Lauren Weyland: dear Jordana?
[20:16:13] Jordana McMahon: pardon?
[20:16:17] Lauren Weyland: 'Saving Grace?"
[20:16:19] Nakaima Oh: No, I meant I drifted off thinking the red shoe was too pointy and looked like a boat :)\
[20:16:28] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:16:35] Lauren Weyland: lmao
[20:16:41] Lauren Weyland: perfect Nakaimia
[20:16:41] Ina Centaur: so anyway... let's get back to Nike
[20:16:58] Ina Centaur: Rand would argue that Nike is possible because there's planning, intelligence behind it... although i don't think she would approve of its ways
[20:17:07] Ina Centaur: similarly with the pyramids
[20:17:07] Jordana McMahon: ty cool
[20:17:26] Lauren Weyland: how do you think you can get to the pyramids...from Nike?
[20:17:26] Grace McDunnough: /me is back
[20:17:30] Ina Centaur: (also re: pyramids.. although the slaves who build them might complain to each other of the toils they went through... i'd assume that they're secretly proud they were a part of it)
[20:17:32] Lauren Weyland: becaue of slave labor?
[20:17:47] Lauren Weyland: ok Ina...let's ask them
[20:17:53] Ina Centaur: NIke vs sweatshops is kinda like the modern version of pyramid-pharohs vs slaves
[20:17:57] Lauren Weyland: the ones who were crused by the stones
[20:18:09] Lauren Weyland: "Hey guys are you happy now?"
[20:18:15] Lauren Weyland: The brooklyn bridge yes
[20:18:20] Lauren Weyland: not the pyramids
[20:18:25] Jordana McMahon: actually I am kinda depressed
[20:18:26] Lauren Weyland: the Hoover dam yes
[20:18:33] Ina Centaur: well, and then we have the track laborers who helped bridge the country's railroads
[20:18:34] Lauren Weyland: oh why?
[20:18:42] Lauren Weyland: Jordana why?
[20:18:48] Jordana McMahon: talk of slavery
[20:18:51] Ina Centaur: because lauren hasn't read the book :-(
[20:18:56] Jordana McMahon: no
[20:19:03] Ina Centaur: lol jk ;-
[20:19:10] Lauren Weyland: oh..yes sorry it is depressing....it belongs in the chapter less weforget
[20:19:23] Lauren Weyland: which book?
[20:19:36] Ina Centaur: /me smacks lauren
[20:20:01] Jordana McMahon: laruen you are going to be all bruised
[20:20:18] Lauren Weyland: I know...but then I will build the pyramids
[20:20:27] Ina Centaur: ok, well, the immovable movers are the ones who plan and commission pyramids and Nike. but, they're born into a world which they must deal with
[20:20:33] Lauren Weyland: and look back happily as Ina says
[20:20:44] Ina Centaur: they also have to work with organizations --- multiple minds
[20:20:45] Nakaima Oh: Rand would probably say if you don't want to be a slave just go somewhere else not realising lots of people have no hwere else to go.
[20:20:46] Lauren Weyland: yeah...no good sex
[20:20:53] Lauren Weyland: that is what they are born into..
[20:20:57] Lauren Weyland: whew..there is a god.
[20:21:10] Lauren Weyland: Nice Nakaima
[20:21:14] Lauren Weyland: yes...good answer
[20:21:21] Lauren Weyland: I like that..though
[20:21:28] Lauren Weyland: it's what brought freedom
[20:22:06] Ina Centaur: in reality, there are lots of people who would want to work in the sweatshops rather than be jobless (so you argue that it's mostly children being screwed; but, in Asian countries, if children do not obey their parents, they flogged or hanged or other such horrible corp punishments). also, the value of the dollar is different in other parts of the world. nike is creating wealth.
[20:22:07] Lauren Weyland: wow...great ...at the heart...lauren slumps into her chair..and quietly realizes blonds are not havng has much fun
[20:22:24] Ina Centaur: just like how the pyramids created worth -- eternal worth.. that they still stand millennia later
[20:22:37] Lauren Weyland: Ok..nice Ina..way to condone cruelty
[20:23:09] Ina Centaur: i'm continuing Nakaima's line... a lot of people simply don't have other choices, other than to work in sweatshops
[20:23:09] Lauren Weyland: with bones that still lie underneath to be unearthed
[20:23:14] Lauren Weyland: which are more precious
[20:23:15] Ina Centaur: and note: there are worse things than sweatshops
[20:23:30] Lauren Weyland: her line is right...your line condones it
[20:23:32] Ina Centaur: there are children whose organs are sold because their parents find them useless and need money. etc.
[20:23:37] Lauren Weyland: her line is they have not choice
[20:23:38] Ina Centaur: i'm not saying sweatshops are right in and of themselves
[20:23:46] Lauren Weyland: your line gives those who do it permission
[20:23:53] Ina Centaur: nor am i trying to justify that they're right because they're not the worst thing that can happen
[20:24:03] Lauren Weyland: I am really sorry all
[20:24:08] Ina Centaur: i am saying that they are a moderately-evil/moderately-good means to an end
[20:24:10] Ina Centaur: :-)
[20:24:13] Lauren Weyland: and to you especially Jordanna
[20:24:28] Lauren Weyland: because this was not a happy thought...
[20:24:56] Nakaima Oh: But it is a thought that has to come up when reading Rand.
[20:24:58] Jordana McMahon: no but if I don't think about it I am a slave
[20:25:06] Ina Centaur: it's not permission, per se
[20:25:16] Lauren Weyland: I must go...I am so sorry..I leave...
[20:25:25] Ina Centaur: -.-
[20:25:30] Lauren Weyland: because tomorrow I must use some slave labor...
[20:25:39] Jordana McMahon: I want to say before you go that this has been a great convo for me
[20:25:40] Lauren Weyland: so they can look back later with a smile
[20:25:42] Nakaima Oh: wear your red shoes:)
[20:26:09] Lauren Weyland: mee to...sorry I was so ....like beligerant... but I'm crazy on this one
[20:26:18] Lauren Weyland: later all
[20:26:24] Ina Centaur: bye L
[20:26:28] Lauren Weyland: thank you for lettting me enjoy
[20:26:30] Jordana McMahon: the people I know think I am smart but I am so much less so than you all
[20:27:17] Ina Centaur: (hi harman)
[20:27:23] Jordana McMahon: well look who is here
[20:27:27] Harman Mayo: (hi)
[20:27:33] Jordana McMahon: someone to lighten the mood
[20:27:50] Ina Centaur: quite definitely.
[20:28:04] Ina Centaur: i suppose i will now be known as an exploiter because i don't believe we should destroy the pyramids or Nike.
[20:28:14] Jordana McMahon: not to me
[20:28:22] Jordana McMahon: its all good
[20:28:32] Ina Centaur: lol jordana ;-)
[20:28:46] Nakaima Oh: You could split the differendce and just throw away your shoes.
[20:28:55] Jordana McMahon: lol
[20:28:56] Ina Centaur: hmm
[20:29:03] Ina Centaur: but i like my shoes
[20:29:08] Nakaima Oh: kidding
[20:29:14] Ina Centaur: hehehe
[20:29:27] Grace McDunnough: Nice group tag Harman ;-)
[20:29:37] Harman Mayo: yeah - keep the shoes - ditch the pyramids
[20:29:46] Ina Centaur: oh harman, you're a hoot ;-P
[20:29:57] Harman Mayo: they haven't had decent plumbing in eons
[20:29:59] Grace McDunnough: no. LOOTer
[20:30:03] Ina Centaur: yup
[20:30:07] Ina Centaur: total hoot!
[20:30:09] Grace McDunnough: LOL
[20:30:19] Ina Centaur: >.<
[20:31:10] Jordana McMahon: well were there sparks between Dagny and whatshisname
[20:31:12] Ina Centaur: well, so we were discussing chapter 4 and its choppy dissymmetry...
[20:31:25] Ina Centaur: how the chapter title is not totally evident in all parts
[20:31:33] Ina Centaur: and we digressed on the pyramids...
[20:31:41] Ina Centaur: whether they should be destroyed because they were built due to slave labor
[20:32:00] Ina Centaur: i would argue that the person who commissioned the pyramids is an "immovable mover"
[20:32:08] Grace McDunnough: Aye
[20:32:09] Ina Centaur: that.. even if plague killed the slaves, he'd have it built
[20:32:22] Grace McDunnough: "She" Ina
[20:32:23] Ina Centaur: but... curious about your perspective, Harman
[20:33:03] Ina Centaur: just like how the US is being politically correct wrecking western buildings to recreate reservations for Indians... should Egypt wreck their pyramids and turn them into slave memorials? o_O
[20:33:31] Ina Centaur: lol sorry.. that's stilted. i meant.. should things built by slaves be destroyed, now that it is more or less a global consensus that slavery is wrong
[20:33:33] [SLDonate] DarkGlass Tip Bin: Thank you for your generous donation, Grace McDunnough! ;-)
[20:34:05] Harman Mayo: those who forget their past are doomed to repeat it
[20:34:22] Ina Centaur: mmm ty grace o_O did i make you spit more coffee across the room >.<
[20:34:37] Grace McDunnough: /me smirks
[20:34:43] Harman Mayo: i think that art has intrinsic worth - even if i may not care forr how it was produced
[20:34:50] Jordana McMahon: won't they forget if they don't have the pyramids
[20:34:56] Ina Centaur: (hi Rupert)
[20:35:07] Rupert Attenborough: hi
[20:35:37] Harman Mayo: all kidding aside - it's a moot point
[20:36:08] Harman Mayo: the pyramids are a source of revenue to the country, so they won't be destroyed
[20:36:24] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:37:02] Ina Centaur: so anyway, back to chapter 4...
[20:37:20] Harman Mayo: yes - the plot thickens!
[20:37:27] Ina Centaur: i think i like how in Rand's world, the heroes are lucky enough to always find competent workers
[20:37:50] Grace McDunnough: That is utopia ;-)
[20:37:53] Ina Centaur: and they would never resort to slave labor because their competitors are far far behind
[20:38:14] Ina Centaur: and it's never about having the one advantage to step ahead
[20:38:23] Nakaima Oh: But probably the majority of workers are competent
[20:38:28] Ina Centaur: >.< oy...
[20:40:05] Ina Centaur: well, the plot thickens
[20:40:24] Ina Centaur: ok i can't seem to drop the pyramid topic... but... i think it also manifests itself in chapter 4 in another way
[20:40:39] Ina Centaur: Conway is broken by his slaves
[20:40:46] Ina Centaur: in a way, i guess
[20:40:47] Ina Centaur: "slaves"
[20:42:30] Harman Mayo: arguably - most people are "wage slaves"
[20:43:48] Ina Centaur: yes
[20:44:01] Ina Centaur: and sorry what i mentioned about conway doesn't quite follow
[20:44:38] Ina Centaur: it's sad that they're forcing him to dismantle his rails
[20:45:08] Grace McDunnough: It's sad that he chose not to fight
[20:45:24] Grace McDunnough: More sad, in my opinion, actually
[20:45:28] Ina Centaur: but who would he be fighting against?
[20:45:50] Ina Centaur: and if he fought... wouldn't they just put down another Super-Anti-Bad-Dog Rule?
[20:45:57] Grace McDunnough: Yes, well there we go with the "establishment" discussion
[20:46:42] Ina Centaur: yes..
[20:47:31] Ina Centaur: so ..
[20:47:37] Ina Centaur: enslvement is about users and the used
[20:47:43] Ina Centaur: (exploiters and the exploited...)
[20:48:02] Ina Centaur: in Rand's world, the heroes are being used... enslaved in that sense
[20:48:52] Grace McDunnough: Interesting, because Dagny's downfall is that she thinks she can be successful by forcing her will on others .. enslaving them, in a way
[20:49:05] Ina Centaur: and, when their usefulness becomes a danger... you have "slaves"l like conway being disposed of
[20:49:24] Ina Centaur: no, it's not her will, per se... it's her idealism. she believes in the good in people
[20:49:37] Ina Centaur: like rearden, almost, she assigns a benevolent intent even when an action can have only malicious intent
[20:49:47] Ina Centaur: (hi cody)
[20:49:54] Cody Eilde: Hello
[20:51:05] Ina Centaur: she believes that people would see the good in things
[20:51:10] Ina Centaur: the wrong of their ways
[20:51:53] Grace McDunnough: I'm not so sure of that .. I think she believes that whatever thier beliefs, she can bear the responsibility of the collective - which of course, she cannot
[20:52:07] Grace McDunnough: They are neither competent nor motivated ..
[20:52:16] Grace McDunnough: An argument some would make of "slaves"
[20:52:47] Grace McDunnough: But .. I think I've strayed past Ch 4 ;-/
[20:52:48] Ina Centaur: she bears the responsibility because someone has to
[20:53:09] Harman Mayo: very few people are actually competent
[20:53:17] Ina Centaur: and fewer are motivated
[20:53:33] Ina Centaur: to them.. life is drudgery, and they are stuck in it but too chicken to quit it
[20:53:36] Harman Mayo: witness the running joke abiut VCRs that blinked 12:00
[20:54:07] Ina Centaur: .. .and so they basically gather around biatching about things they haven't the facts for... and so we have politics!
[20:54:16] Ina Centaur: (that was in parentheses)
[20:54:16] Grace McDunnough: And ..if you are to succeed .. to run a RR .. you do not merely accept that and trust that by your will you can achieve greatness
[20:54:53] Ina Centaur: oh, grace, i think Dagny has to believe that there are competents out there, and that people are essentially good... despite all she sees
[20:55:02] Ina Centaur: otherwise, she would have just quit like Conway ;-)
[20:55:11] Ina Centaur: why fight, when there's nothing to fight for?
[20:55:12] Grace McDunnough: I think she does believe that .. however she is mired in the opposite
[20:55:16] Harman Mayo: but charisma has lead many to accomplish great things
[20:55:33] Grace McDunnough: Charisma is arguably a skill
[20:55:54] Ina Centaur: charisma in dagnY? o_O
[20:56:03] Grace McDunnough: No .. certainly not LOL
[20:56:10] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:56:19] Harman Mayo: true - Hitler was very carismatic, so I'll concede it to be a skill
[20:56:20] Ina Centaur: in james? o_O
[20:56:38] Ina Centaur: (yes, and didn't Hitler have brown eyes? o_O )
[20:56:43] Grace McDunnough: James has a touch of charisma
[20:56:53] Grace McDunnough: We hate him for it :)
[20:57:06] Ina Centaur: yes, why do we hate james?
[20:57:32] Harman Mayo: because he's such a waste of good oxygen
[20:57:51] Ina Centaur: oh yes he's bad CO02 all right ;-)
[20:57:53] Jordana McMahon: he's underhanded, sleazy, sneeky
[20:58:14] Ina Centaur: (hi tory!)
[20:58:24] Grace McDunnough: He's an influencer .. and powerful as a result in his own way
[20:58:25] ToryLynn Writer: (hey ina.. winding down?)
[20:58:27] Grace McDunnough: Hey Tory
[20:58:48] Ina Centaur: (still going... i think... we got totally sidetracked with pyramids earlier >.<)
[20:58:49] Grace McDunnough: We'll be here late, we have to dismantle the pyramids
[20:59:04] ToryLynn Writer: ((Ok.. on my way to the blog now))
[21:00:05] ToryLynn Writer: ((you changed the website! ))
[21:00:32] Ina Centaur: (( ? ))
[21:01:00] Grace McDunnough: Oh .. I get to use the quote you chose Ina ... (55) ?She took positions of responsibility because there was no one else to take them? At every step of her rise, she did the work long before she was granted th title. It was like advancing through empty rooms. Nobody opposed her, yet nobody approved of her progress.?
[21:01:50] Grace McDunnough: So .. hard work gets you promoted only so far. Now, we are at the level of influence and "movers"
[21:02:09] Grace McDunnough: Influencers, at this point have more power than hard workers
[21:02:52] Ina Centaur: yes, but the Influencers in Atlas Shrugged can actually do the work of the hard workers...
[21:03:10] Grace McDunnough: Can you expound?
[21:03:55] Ina Centaur: this wasn't mentioned yet about Nat... but when his entire team quit due to political reason, he ended up putting his bridge together himself, and devises a way to make his "immovable motive" work out
[21:04:08] Ina Centaur: (literally, on his hands and knees with hammer in hand)
[21:04:09] Grace McDunnough: You are cheating
[21:04:10] ToryLynn Writer: ((I still stand by my statement I made on this chapter last night))
[21:04:21] Grace McDunnough: It's a lousy chapter, I agree
[21:04:28] Ina Centaur: ((yes Anti-Bad-Dog is NO FAIR NO FAIR!))
[21:04:34] Grace McDunnough: LOL
[21:04:44] Ina Centaur: i wonder if Rand meant for this to be a particular super-partsy-chapter
[21:05:09] Ina Centaur: and the title really doesn't fit into each individual part... in previous chapter, the title sort of just reveberates through the entire chapter
[21:05:34] Ina Centaur: i guess it's necessary to build suspense and conflict to see just what the movers have to go against
[21:05:47] Ina Centaur: and to see the degree of "immovability" is required
[21:05:53] Nakaima Oh: But the chapter does end with her just telling us what the chap title means.
[21:06:24] Ina Centaur: "Dagny... whatever we are, it's we who move the world, and it's we who'll pull it through."
[21:06:38] Nakaima Oh: exactly
[21:06:40] Ina Centaur: oh btw, what do you think of Rearden's comment that D
[21:07:19] Grace McDunnough: they are the Anti-Paldins?
[21:07:23] Grace McDunnough: /me laughs
[21:07:34] Ina Centaur: >.<
[21:07:35] Nakaima Oh: I think it's that whole bit of rand not wanting yhou think they are the establishment
[21:08:04] Ina Centaur: Dagny seems disturbed by it, but Rearden takes it as obvious fact
[21:08:20] Nakaima Oh: they are supposed to be rebels rather than symobols for the people who really run everytning
[21:08:59] Ina Centaur: "but she felt a vague apprehension which she could not define, the suggestion that there was something of grave consequence in whatever had made him say it, something dangerous to him.."
[21:09:52] Jordana McMahon: it says she was not troubled by this and she was incapable of feeling fundemental guilt
[21:09:58] Ina Centaur: oh, so you think Rand meant the quote to "epitomize" them as underdogs?
[21:10:17] ToryLynn Writer: ((wow.. reviewing the archive.. from Pyramids, to Russia, to Nike ) LOL))
[21:10:28] Grace McDunnough: Heh, Tory
[21:10:50] Ina Centaur: (( yes and to Ina the exploiter-supporter who believes Nike and pyramids shouldn't be killed >.< ))
[21:11:51] Ina Centaur: yes, but jordana, she seems to detect a ponit of danger...
[21:12:03] Ina Centaur: what sorts of danger do you think might arise from Hank's comment and open acceptance of being a blackguard?
[21:12:55] ToryLynn Writer: well.. if he admits to being a blackguard, it means that he admits he won't exactly follow society's rules
[21:13:19] Ina Centaur: hmm vigilante?
[21:13:23] ToryLynn Writer: he doesn't have to... he's an acknowledged blackguard.. which also means he has an inkling they'll be coming after him next
[21:13:26] Ina Centaur: oh, but he calls Dagny a blackguard too
[21:13:42] Jordana McMahon: is he expressing self doubt
[21:14:13] ToryLynn Writer: maybe he's inviting her to go against society's standards.. she already sort of does, as she's a girl in charge
[21:14:18] Nakaima Oh: Isnt rand setting D up to be "one of us" with that assoc with R
[21:14:37] Ina Centaur: lol that's funny ;-)
[21:14:50] Grace McDunnough: I'm sorry, but I need to turn in ... long day
[21:14:59] Ina Centaur: so, i guess you think they will start breaking the law?
[21:14:59] Grace McDunnough: Thanks everyone - g'night
[21:15:08] ToryLynn Writer: night Grace!
[21:15:10] Ina Centaur: (nite grace! )
[21:15:17] Grace McDunnough: /me waves
[21:15:21] Nakaima Oh: bye
[21:15:26] Jordana McMahon: good nite grace thank you
[21:16:29] ToryLynn Writer: he says they're blackguards because they "havcent any spiritual goals or qualities. All (they're) after is material things."
[21:16:30] Nakaima Oh: I think I'm goint to have to go, too, if I can figure how to get off this giant snake or whatever these are we're sitting on. Thanks Ina and everyone. Great evening.
[21:16:52] ToryLynn Writer: except... that's not entirely true.. they both care about material gains through honorable methods..
[21:17:06] ToryLynn Writer: hehe.. bagels
[21:17:15] ToryLynn Writer: bye Nakaima
[21:17:17] Jordana McMahon: I'm deserting as well nite all
[21:17:18] Ina Centaur: (lol nite nakaima)
[21:17:23] ToryLynn Writer: /me sighs
[21:17:26] Jordana McMahon: till tomorrow
[21:17:28] Ina Centaur: (... nite jordana)
[21:17:28] ToryLynn Writer: I show up and everybody leaves :-D
[21:17:41] ToryLynn Writer: that's alright... I can go finish chapter 5 :-D
[21:18:02] ToryLynn Writer: sorry I missed tonight
[21:18:12] Ina Centaur: hmm
[21:18:26] Ina Centaur: on material gains through honorable methods
[21:18:36] Ina Centaur: that's kinda spiritual in itself
[21:18:44] Ina Centaur: possible danger to hank for not seeing it
[21:19:17] ToryLynn Writer: I think he sees it.. I think he just.. doesn't want to acknowledge it
[21:19:31] ToryLynn Writer: it's easier to say he's a blackguard and follow the rules of being that..
[21:19:41] ToryLynn Writer: it is harder to say that he's honorable and uphold that honor..
[21:20:05] [SLDonate] DarkGlass Tip Bin: Thank you for your donation, ToryLynn Writer!
[21:20:25] Ina Centaur: hehe ty tory o_O
[21:20:42] Ina Centaur: are there rules to being a blackguard?
[21:20:46] ToryLynn Writer: of course.. :)
[21:20:50] Ina Centaur: (hi jack)
[21:20:58] Jack Sondergaard: hi
[21:21:11] Jack Sondergaard: wish I had seen this sooner
[21:21:13] ToryLynn Writer: well.. that's the issue.. the only rule to being a blackguard is that you don't have to follow the rules :-D
[21:21:13] Ina Centaur: (xanadu is a nice linux breed)
[21:21:31] Ina Centaur: (we are only on chapter 4 for tonight... so you can still catch up... http://atlasshrugged.inacentaur.com )
[21:22:29] Jack Sondergaard: I've listened to the audio book a couple of times
[21:23:02] ToryLynn Writer: it's a good book
[21:23:17] Ina Centaur: yes, much more readable than the other Russian authors ;-)
[21:23:30] Harman Mayo: hehehe
[21:23:31] Ina Centaur: >.<
[21:24:14] ToryLynn Writer: /me laughs
[21:24:20] ToryLynn Writer: I want to be a blackguard :)
[21:24:35] Ina Centaur: lol
[21:25:06] Ina Centaur: the only rule: no rules!
[21:25:12] Ina Centaur: (then what about the only rule o_O )
[21:25:13] Ina Centaur: hehe
[21:25:21] Ina Centaur: oh btw harman.. do you have another alternative POV for this chapter?
[21:25:39] ToryLynn Writer: Oh, Ina.. you should stop by my place sometime... (and ignore the blantant misuse of prims...) I've built a park in my shop :)
[21:26:16] Ina Centaur: lol /me camera zooms over
[21:26:25] ToryLynn Writer: ooh.. forgot youu can do that :)
[21:26:32] Ina Centaur: grassy! o_O
[21:26:39] ToryLynn Writer: So, we're on chapter 4, Jack..reading a chapter a day...
[21:27:24] ToryLynn Writer: yeah, the trees are my favorite bit :)
[21:27:57] Ina Centaur: hehe
[21:28:03] Ina Centaur: painting in the greeneries
[21:28:18] ToryLynn Writer: I'm missing one of them.. I have to check my bed at home :)
[21:28:55] Jack Sondergaard: I will have to check it out of the library, I don't actually own a copy of my own
[21:29:11] Harman Mayo: sorry - my brain is mush tonight
[21:29:19] ToryLynn Writer: /me laughs
[21:29:29] ToryLynn Writer: thats alright.. It's Saturday :)
[21:29:36] Ina Centaur: it's a nice book to own
[21:29:36] Harman Mayo: a 14 hour conference has drained all of my wit, I'm afraid
[21:29:44] Ina Centaur: you can sorta bash your cousin on the head with it
[21:29:46] ToryLynn Writer: wow.14 hour con on what?
[21:29:53] Ina Centaur: or just about anyone else ;-)
[21:30:02] Ina Centaur: so it's also a good weapon to carry in your purse
[21:30:17] ToryLynn Writer: yeah.. I got all jealous of your copy, Ina..and went and bought it.. lots of margin space for notes :)
[21:30:42] Ina Centaur: mehc margin space in the signet edition?
[21:30:51] Ina Centaur: >.<
[21:30:54] ToryLynn Writer: no, I got the Plume..
[21:30:56] Ina Centaur: dunno 1/4 inch?
[21:30:57] ToryLynn Writer: ginormous book
[21:30:58] Harman Mayo: the conference was on network security
[21:31:04] ToryLynn Writer: this has at least 1/2 inch
[21:31:14] ToryLynn Writer: oooo.. sounds.. incredibly boring.. but Im not into that
[21:31:44] Ina Centaur: yeah network security is messy
[21:31:53] Harman Mayo: i depend on it for my living - so need to keep up
[21:31:58] ToryLynn Writer: yeah, the signet only has a quarter inch.. and I couldn't deal with that
[21:32:10] ToryLynn Writer: wow.. ever changing job
[21:32:17] Harman Mayo: yep
[21:32:21] ToryLynn Writer: and also high stress, I would imagine
[21:32:31] Harman Mayo: not really
[21:32:50] Harman Mayo: I'm not a tech - I'm an owner
[21:33:11] ToryLynn Writer: So, according to me, Dagny has at the very least 3 guys she can count as nearly suitors, if I don't coung Frisco
[21:33:20] ToryLynn Writer: I like that :)
[21:33:25] Ina Centaur: lol!
[21:33:31] Ina Centaur: hmm which 3?
[21:33:38] Harman Mayo: (bites tongue)
[21:34:07] Jack Sondergaard: now that we have voice in SL we could act and read it out, maybe sometime
[21:34:18] Ina Centaur: (blood has that iron-like taste to it, eh, harman? )
[21:34:24] ToryLynn Writer: Rearden (who is married, so it would only be a torrid love affair), Ellis Wyatt.. who she would respect for his power... and Dan Conway.. who she can help onto his feet
[21:34:28] Harman Mayo: just need to find 38 people to play the parts
[21:34:31] Ina Centaur: oh want to try acting it right now?
[21:34:51] ToryLynn Writer: I'm not fond of voice for discussion groups.. voice tends to silence some people
[21:35:05] Ina Centaur: ah but tory, Dan's quit
[21:35:15] Harman Mayo: yes - and encourage others
[21:35:17] ToryLynn Writer: he's quit his businesss.. not his life
[21:35:20] ToryLynn Writer: ok..
[21:35:23] Ina Centaur: and he's just lost it. he realizes he can't fight when they'd just put down another Super-Anti-Bad-Dog Rule
[21:35:30] ToryLynn Writer: I'm off... have a nice evening
[21:35:42] Ina Centaur: interesting though..
[21:36:11] Ina Centaur: well...
[21:36:45] Ina Centaur: it might be fun to act out Atlas Shrugged
[21:36:55] Ina Centaur: dunno record and simulcast/stream Galt's speech
[21:36:56] Ina Centaur: :-D
[21:37:11] Ina Centaur: oh yes.. and get PN or whatever to hack the grid so that it takes over everyone's media streams ;-P
[21:39:11] Harman Mayo: hmm - an interesting proposition
[21:39:19] Jack Sondergaard: just found on IMDB that a movie version has been announced with Angelina Jolie playing Dagney Taggert
[21:39:27] Ina Centaur: yup
[21:39:31] Ina Centaur: brad pitt = john galt
[21:39:34] Ina Centaur: hawtness ;-P\
[21:39:58] Harman Mayo: ugh - never cared fot Pitt
[21:40:46] Ina Centaur: oh but he's actually a decent actor
[21:40:55] Ina Centaur: well...
[21:41:19] Harman Mayo: nore a Kevin Costner fan
[21:41:22] Ina Centaur: interesting parts at least.. Louis in Interview... the other personality in FIght Club ;-P
[21:41:24] Harman Mayo: more
[21:41:26] Ina Centaur: oh hercules?
[21:42:38] Harman Mayo: i like the postman best
[21:42:51] Harman Mayo: despte the critics
[21:43:28] Ina Centaur: hmm haven't seen that one..
[21:43:34] Harman Mayo: but that's way off topic - even for me
[21:44:10] Ina Centaur: yes true. i guess that's it for today's discussion i guess...
[21:44:20] Ina Centaur: dunno
[21:44:36] Ina Centaur: but... it'd be interesting to record and simulcast/stream galt's speech though
[21:44:58] Jack Sondergaard: is the discussion at 8 each night?
[21:46:09] Ina Centaur: yes jack
[21:46:13] Ina Centaur: 8 pm daily for August...
[21:46:21] Ina Centaur: and another book for the next month... possibly another host
[21:46:27] Jack Sondergaard: OK, I will come when I can
[21:46:28] Ina Centaur: (hi Asher)
[21:46:30] Asher Pascal: uh oh, I hope this isn't a camping chair vista
[21:46:31] Asher Pascal: j/k
[21:46:33] Asher Pascal: Howdy, ina
[21:46:33] Ina Centaur: http://atlasshrugged.inacentaur.com for more details
[21:46:40] Asher Pascal: yes, I read the events
[21:46:57] Asher Pascal: I have been testing out my new voice chat, but it apparently is not working.
[21:46:59] Ina Centaur: lol pseudo-philosophy's pseudo-camping chairs ;-P
[21:47:17] Jack Sondergaard: I don't care for camping chairs, I'm too much of a capitalist, and sittling doesn't seem like working
[21:47:33] Ina Centaur: "sittling"cute
[21:47:40] Asher Pascal: I dont' care much for camping chairs either, but not for capistalist reasons
[21:47:55] Jack Sondergaard: they are boring too
[21:48:03] Ina Centaur: yes
[21:48:10] Asher Pascal: thankfully I was alive in SL for a year before the camping chairs
[21:48:14] Ina Centaur: a waste of electricity
[21:48:33] Ina Centaur: oh wow, back in the days before flexi
[21:48:38] Asher Pascal: yes
[21:48:43] Asher Pascal: before flexi hair
[21:49:09] Asher Pascal: When the only genitalia were from Play Sexy
[21:49:19] Ina Centaur: lol
[21:49:33] Asher Pascal: none of these mix and match sets....
[21:49:40] Asher Pascal: Has anyone used the talk feature?
[21:49:47] Harman Mayo: i have
[21:49:49] Asher Pascal: SLvoicechat that is.
[21:49:51] Ina Centaur: yup
[21:49:54] Ina Centaur: want to try it out?
[21:50:03] Harman Mayo: we did a poetry reading using it yesterday
[21:50:09] Asher Pascal: I have been trying to but for some reason it is not detecting my microphone
[21:50:12] Asher Pascal: volume.
[21:50:13] Ina Centaur: (mm voice, i meant... rather than the old SL genitalia)
[21:50:22] Asher Pascal: it works
[21:50:26] Asher Pascal: on skype
[21:50:27] Asher Pascal: and other programs
[21:50:33] Asher Pascal: So I'm not sure why it's not workng with SL.
[21:50:44] Asher Pascal: yes, Ina...I figured.
[21:50:46] Asher Pascal: :-D
[21:51:03] Ina Centaur: lol
[21:51:04] Asher Pascal: the old SL genitalia were more like "huh? oh it's talking?!"
[21:51:07] Asher Pascal: than "mmmm"
[21:51:13] Ina Centaur: hehee
[21:51:29] Harman Mayo: oh my
[21:51:32] Ina Centaur: >.<
[21:51:48] Jack Sondergaard: nothing worse than hearing someone's privates chatting away
[21:52:06] Harman Mayo: glad i din't live here then - not that I have any use for genitalia now either
[21:52:28] Asher Pascal: eep
[21:53:23] Harman Mayo: hey - have 7 kids in RL - not enough energy left for a virtual sex life too
[21:53:29] Jack Sondergaard: well back to studying for me
[21:53:46] Asher Pascal: :-x
[21:54:46] Jack Sondergaard: "see" you next time, most nights I will probably drop in late because I usually work until 9 SL time
[21:54:58] Harman Mayo: ttfn, Jack
[21:55:00] Ina Centaur: nite jack
[21:55:11] Jack Sondergaard: good night everyone
[21:56:57] Ina Centaur: well asher, we are doing a chapter a night for each day of August
[21:57:18] Ina Centaur: chapter x for day x of august ;-P ... and planning an all-day symposium on the 31st on Galt's speech
[21:57:25] Harman Mayo: so tomorrow we will discuss chapter 5
[21:57:31] Ina Centaur: possibly also a grid wide radio attack based on his speech ;-P
[21:57:38] Harman Mayo: lol
[21:58:14] Harman Mayo: It's almost tempting
[21:58:47] Ina Centaur: almost? ;-P
[22:00:20] Harman Mayo: if we could get sean connerey to do the voicework it would be more than temptong
[22:01:34] Ina Centaur: lol
[22:02:09] Ina Centaur: bond as galt.
[22:02:24] Ina Centaur: interesting choice
[22:02:44] Harman Mayo: would require a suspension of disbelief
[22:03:17] Harman Mayo: but his voice almost makes me wish i were gay
[22:03:53] Object: Hello, Avatar!
[22:04:10] Asher Pascal: errr....
[22:04:20] Asher Pascal: I assumed there were books of the text here
[22:04:21] Ina Centaur: lol
[22:04:32] Asher Pascal: but.....
[22:04:33] Ina Centaur: there are fake books ;-)
[22:04:36] Asher Pascal: I see
[22:04:39] Asher Pascal: hence 1 prim
[22:04:41] Ina Centaur: lol
[22:04:44] Asher Pascal: I was kind of wonderin'.
[22:05:43] Ayn Rand: Hello, Avatar!
[22:06:05] Harman Mayo: hmm - could make a huge seires of notecards and put them in the prim
[22:06:24] Ina Centaur: yes, harman... up for the task?
[22:06:49] Harman Mayo: might play with it a bit
[22:07:12] Asher Pascal: correct, harman, you could....
[22:07:33] Asher Pascal: I was thinking of more of an HUD book, tha tyou can flip the pages of
[22:07:37] Harman Mayo: think it'd take 3-4 linked prims though - notecards don't hold much text
[22:07:37] Asher Pascal: wich would be cool
[22:07:44] Asher Pascal: got to learn how to make those
[22:08:08] Ina Centaur: it used to be you could rag other notecards into a notecard.. to create "clickable chapters"
[22:08:15] Ina Centaur: not sure if the notecard bugged has been fixed yet
[22:08:38] Harman Mayo: there's a workaround script available
[22:08:52] Asher Pascal: Say, what is this performance of Shakespear's hamlet, eh?
[22:08:56] Asher Pascal: When are you having auditions?
[22:09:01] Asher Pascal: Is this the real deal?
[22:09:36] Ina Centaur: yup
[22:09:37] Ina Centaur: totally
[22:09:40] Asher Pascal: wow
[22:09:41] Ina Centaur: 8/8 at high noon
[22:09:45] Ina Centaur: http://hamlet.inacentaur.com
[22:10:04] Asher Pascal: this is wild
[22:10:09] Ina Centaur: what's the workaround script, harman?
[22:10:18] Ina Centaur: oh.. i guess you could have the book bring up a dialog menu, asking which chapter the reader wants
[22:10:34] Harman Mayo: i'd have to ask Psyke about it
[22:11:19] Harman Mayo: he's the one who posted it
[22:11:45] Ina Centaur: ?
[22:12:35] Harman Mayo: he's an open source developer
[22:12:53] Harman Mayo: and also makes security devices here in SL
[22:13:29] Harman Mayo: i stumbled on it when i was new
[22:13:55] Asher Pascal: the security devices?
[22:14:00] Asher Pascal: Or the workaround book script.
[22:14:00] Asher Pascal: lol
[22:14:04] Ina Centaur: security devices?
[22:14:13] Asher Pascal: cuz I stumbled into quite a few of those...as a "goldilocks" when i was new to SL
[22:14:16] Asher Pascal: ilke my first day
[22:14:21] Asher Pascal: not even knowing what anything was
[22:14:26] Asher Pascal: or that I was in someone's house.
[22:14:28] Asher Pascal: eek.
[22:14:51] Asher Pascal: Anyways, Hamlet looks good, unfortunately I have an appointment at around 12:45pm, so I'd have to leave at like 12:30pm
[22:14:59] Asher Pascal: Maybe I'll get to do something before then.
[22:15:05] Ina Centaur: oh they're just auditions... first come first act ;-P
[22:15:49] Harman Mayo: the script
[22:15:58] Harman Mayo: then i found his shop
[22:18:52] Asher Pascal: Is my talk feature working out of curiosity?
[22:20:20] Asher Pascal: Je ne suppose pas-
[22:20:22] Asher Pascal: Oh no!
[22:20:28] Asher Pascal: Can you hear me at least?
[22:22:35] Ina Centaur: hmm
[22:22:38] Ina Centaur: sec
[22:23:11] Ina Centaur: " that was funny"
[22:23:21] Ina Centaur: (hi labrys)
[22:23:34] Labrys Writer: Hello
[22:23:46] Harman Mayo: that was me
[22:23:51] Ina Centaur: je ne parle nospeaktos
[22:24:08] Ina Centaur: >.<
[22:24:16] Ina Centaur: parle vous vox?
[22:24:20] Ina Centaur: haha my french is horrible
[22:24:35] Labrys Writer: I don't speak French myself :)
[22:24:50] Asher Pascal: est-ce que tu ne parle pas le francais? ca va
[22:24:53] Asher Pascal: pas problem
[22:25:18] Asher Pascal: where is labrys
[22:25:20] Asher Pascal: I do not see hir
[22:25:23] Ina Centaur: je parle francais un pocco
[22:25:32] Ina Centaur: i think labrys is standing outside...
[22:25:36] Ina Centaur: labrys we are upstairs
[22:25:38] Labrys Writer: I'm outside
[22:25:54] Ina Centaur: (upstairs because i still have not figured out how to decorate the downstairs)
[22:26:16] Labrys Writer: This is your place?
[22:26:25] Ina Centaur: ok i heard someone's voice... harman?
[22:26:46] Ina Centaur: my lesser-damaged mic is actually built into my keyboard... can you hear me type?
[22:26:50] Asher Pascal: Do you have streaming audio here?
[22:28:00] Labrys Writer: Whoops ended back on the ground
[22:28:27] Labrys Writer: Hello :)
[22:28:46] Ina Centaur: hi!
[22:29:11] Labrys Writer: Ooh, comfy! :)
[22:29:14] Ina Centaur: hehe
[22:29:24] Ina Centaur: are you here for Atlas SHrugged?
[22:29:48] Labrys Writer: No I just wandered in. Fairly noob, and checking out the literary scene.
[22:30:13] Ina Centaur: heh
[22:30:26] Ina Centaur: well, one of the things going on here this month at least
[22:30:37] Ina Centaur: is a readathon and discussion series on Atlas SHrugged
[22:30:50] Ina Centaur: http://calendar.sliterary.com has more details
[22:31:03] Labrys Writer: It's been so long since I picked up Ayn Rand.
[22:31:25] Ina Centaur: hehe
[22:31:51] Labrys Writer: Are these voice chats or text chats?
[22:31:58] Ina Centaur: use this as an excuse to reread? ;-P
[22:32:07] Ina Centaur: the discussion is primarily in text chat
[22:32:10] Harman Mayo: text chats
[22:32:25] Labrys Writer: Good. I'm not doing voice right now!
[22:32:28] Ina Centaur: it helps those who can't make it... feel like they can somehow catch up to the spontaneous fun that just magically springs up here in discussion hours ;-P
[22:32:39] Harman Mayo: we wnat to save every humiliating opinion
[22:32:40] Asher Pascal: /nod
[22:32:41] Ina Centaur: although...
[22:32:52] Ina Centaur: we might plan on recording Galt's speech for live presentation on SL across multiple sims ;-P
[22:33:06] Harman Mayo: *snickers*
[22:33:09] Ina Centaur: hehehe
[22:33:22] Labrys Writer: I'm looking at my bookshelf nearby. I don't know if I even own AS.
[22:33:42] Labrys Writer: But I'm sure one of the local used bookstores has it.
[22:34:18] Asher Pascal: I guess no one can hear my voice chat.
[22:34:25] Ina Centaur: i think i heard you asher
[22:34:34] Asher Pascal: I relogged so that I could.....errr.....hear things.
[22:34:39] Asher Pascal: Okay.
[22:34:55] Labrys Writer: I don't even think my voice is enabled.
[22:35:03] Ina Centaur: heard an oops
[22:35:19] Harman Mayo: that was me
[22:35:43] Ina Centaur: brb relogging
[22:36:26] Asher Pascal: Okay, so let me get this straight
[22:36:38] Asher Pascal: only when you have talk enabled do you hear me and vice versa?
[22:37:04] Harman Mayo: you're breaking up in voice, asher - i hear some - but like a scratched record
[22:37:17] Harman Mayo: but yes - that's right
[22:38:04] Harman Mayo: too much background noise for me to use voice
[22:38:11] Asher Pascal: I understand
[22:38:23] Asher Pascal: But you can hear me right now, even though you don't have talk enabled?
[22:38:37] Asher Pascal: I'm just trying to figure out how this works, cuz I have not heard anyone so far.
[22:38:38] Asher Pascal: : )
[22:38:38] Harman Mayo: i have talk enabled
[22:39:06] Harman Mayo: i can hear you - but it's very faint
[22:39:49] Harman Mayo: and i need to jet - got a submission to make
[22:40:20] Harman Mayo: ttfn!
[22:40:25] Ina Centaur: ta!
[22:42:31] Asher Pascal: I'll be back later. See you all.
[22:42:36] Ina Centaur: ta..
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[07:12:33] Kronos Kirkorian: for what purpose?
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