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[19:12:00] Nakaima Oh: Hi Ina
[19:12:11] Nakaima Oh: No vampire talkers tonight?
[19:12:13] Ina Centaur: hi!!
[19:13:20] Ina Centaur: hmm guess not.. or they might pop in till later..
[19:13:29] Ina Centaur: these sessions are kinda ... cozy-esque.
[19:13:40] Ina Centaur: lol, so anyway did you get to read chapter 9?
[19:13:55] Nakaima Oh: Everything seems really slow tonight. All I can see is your head in a gray thingie.
[19:14:10] Nakaima Oh: Yes, I did just finish re-reading chap 9.
[19:14:48] Ina Centaur: yay! so what's your impression of it - this second (or nth) time around?
[19:14:51] Ina Centaur: --compared to your first..
[19:15:01] Nakaima Oh: 2nd
[19:15:17] Nakaima Oh: I am reading more critically this time
[19:15:38] Nakaima Oh: I have a friend who can't stand all the sighing. I did notice it in this chapt
[19:15:52] Nakaima Oh: Didn't notice it the first time
[19:16:02] Ina Centaur: yes, i didn't notice it as much the first time.. but it still wasn't unbearable this second time - i mean she's riding in his car!!!
[19:16:38] Nakaima Oh: Yes, it mostly E's sighing that gets tomy friend. Oh, stop sighing she shouts. :)
[19:17:06] Nakaima Oh: ao off
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[19:17:29] Ina Centaur: lol
[19:17:41] Ina Centaur: so what do you think of Bella and Edward's exchange?
[19:17:50] Nakaima Oh: The important thing is this chapter is the line "It doesn't matter" I think
[19:18:12] Ina Centaur: yes
[19:18:23] Ina Centaur: bella mentioned in prev chapters that ed's dangerous... but not bad
[19:18:25] Nakaima Oh: The beginning of her absolute commitment
[19:18:34] Ina Centaur: but even if he is, she doesn't care
[19:18:47] Ina Centaur: yep, in his volvo..
[19:19:07] Nakaima Oh: Later that will be pretty amazing -- her commitment and not caring what he is I mean
[19:19:19] Ina Centaur: her dependency?
[19:19:43] Nakaima Oh: Not so much dependency as absolute unconditional commitment.
[19:19:51] Nakaima Oh: She will become a vampire
[19:19:59] Nakaima Oh: She would rather die that be without him
[19:20:32] Nakaima Oh: Even if it turns out neither of them have souls, she would still go with him
[19:21:02] Nakaima Oh: In a way, I think Meyer is saying love is more important than god
[19:21:13] Ina Centaur: wow.. i don't think she believes vamps don't have souls...
[19:21:20] Ina Centaur: wow..
[19:21:25] Ina Centaur: continue on that?
[19:21:40] Nakaima Oh: Me either, but I think she would still stick with him if it turned out to be true
[19:21:40] Ina Centaur: --love more important than god?
[19:22:12] Nakaima Oh: In the tradtion of vampire you reject god as a vampire and god rejects you
[19:22:30] Ina Centaur: well, if love is more important than god and life and that.... wouldn't they just run away now?
[19:22:42] Nakaima Oh: Remember that movie Bram Stoker's Dracula? The famous line "Look what God did to me."
[19:22:48] Ina Centaur: carlisle is still religious i believe.. or tries to be
[19:22:58] Nakaima Oh: That is made him a vampire who can never be in the presense of god
[19:23:04] Ina Centaur: and yes, that classic forlornness is also in anne rice vamp's
[19:23:19] Ina Centaur: but stoker vamps are rather immoral..
[19:23:25] Nakaima Oh: So, too, it would be in Bella's head. and she doesn't care
[19:23:54] Nakaima Oh: It's not a huge point. Just my reading. :)
[19:24:09] Nakaima Oh: but one I find compelling
[19:25:29] Nakaima Oh: The last line of this chapter tells us of her commitment (not the soul stuff, but the romance
[19:26:05] Nakaima Oh: it also clearly state's E's conflict in case we have not gotten yet. :)
[19:26:09] Ina Centaur: yep, also the ad on the back of the book
[19:26:16] Ina Centaur: absolutely unconditionally irrevocably in love with him
[19:27:26] Nakaima Oh: Now that I think of it, that is an interesting thing to do in a novel. That last paragraph. Say there are thrree things that will be important and then tell the reader what they are.
[19:27:31] Ina Centaur: interested in your reading/interp though - tell more!
[19:27:44] Ina Centaur: ?
[19:28:01] Ina Centaur: well, i think the 3 things serve as a hook in this chapter
[19:28:20] Ina Centaur: getting you to read the next.. or for those who can put it down while reading it the first time, to ponder what might happen
[19:28:31] Nakaima Oh: Look at the last paragraph. She is telling us yes, they are vampires, yes he might eat her, and yes, she's in love.
[19:29:24] Ina Centaur: yep, love loaded with danger that might come from being devoured...
[19:29:27] Nakaima Oh: Now the plot can move on. Up to now those were the issues
[19:29:32] Nakaima Oh: Yes.
[19:30:25] Ina Centaur: lol what do you think of the development so far?
[19:30:37] Nakaima Oh: I like it.
[19:31:18] Nakaima Oh: You mentioned you were trying to learn to do novels like these. What do you think of it to this point?
[19:31:38] Ina Centaur: well, i think the first time through i was just in love with the novel..
[19:32:15] Ina Centaur: and i like the realistic yet tinged-with-fantasy scenes so far.. i mean everything in twilight could happen in RL, but the suspense of vampires on the verge of it is interesting
[19:32:32] Ina Centaur: i didn't really notice much about the development, other than that it wasn't bad suspense
[19:32:50] Ina Centaur: not like some other bestsellers where you have to read to find out what happens next. i found i could put it down, think about it
[19:32:51] Nakaima Oh: I suppose, but the reader knows this is not the regular world
[19:33:28] Nakaima Oh: Yes, I guess you're right. The cliff hanger element is not strong
[19:34:13] Nakaima Oh: It proceeds pretty much as a romance but without all the ho-hum stuff I'm tired of by now
[19:34:39] Ina Centaur: ho-hum stuff..
[19:34:41] Ina Centaur: sighing?
[19:34:49] Nakaima Oh: Well that:)
[19:34:56] Ina Centaur: oh btw you were talking about your reading of this chapter?
[19:35:12] Nakaima Oh: I was thinking more of the classic romance plot that pretty goes along on rails.
[19:35:40] Nakaima Oh: I haven't read any other paranormal romances though, so this one might be on rails for jaded readers too. :)
[19:36:03] Ina Centaur: rails?
[19:36:26] Nakaima Oh: Oh, I meant my interpretaion of the books as "love is more important than God" that's what I meant by my "reading"
[19:36:49] Nakaima Oh: When I think of a plot on rails, I mean it's like a train that can only follow the tracks
[19:37:42] Nakaima Oh: If all paranormal romances have pretty much the twilight plot then I would probably like it less if I had read a bunch of those.
[19:38:20] Ina Centaur: well, romances typically have happy endings
[19:38:39] Nakaima Oh: True.
[19:38:40] Ina Centaur: sometimes, it's like romeo and juliet, the star-crossed lovers... with a sad ending
[19:38:52] Nakaima Oh: This one is strange. Happy or not depending on your world view.
[19:38:56] Ina Centaur: but at some point, the romance is consummated - even in those romances that are tragedies
[19:39:43] Ina Centaur: well, the novel read as "flirtatious" to me... kind of like the author is playing at you with a magnet.. and not quite giving you enough, but just enough for you to continue, and the story to move
[19:40:04] Ina Centaur: it's both
[19:40:16] Ina Centaur: bittersweet i guess..
[19:40:24] Nakaima Oh: interesting. Usually withholding info just makes the reader mad.
[19:40:52] Nakaima Oh: I guess so. I sort of find it hopeful, because I don't see her being no longer human as a bad thing.
[19:41:00] Ina Centaur: (yep... like in new moon, where it took bella forever to figure out jacob's a werewolf..)
[19:41:34] Ina Centaur: well, it's bad in that it's the standard vamp romance that ultimately pulls us back -- we're waiting for the turning
[19:41:51] Nakaima Oh: Yes, that, too. I was thinking more of the case where a character in first person or tight third person knows something but doesn't tell us. That is usually just a mistake.
[19:42:01] Ina Centaur: it's good in that i found the pacing really well done, the first time thru at least.. the fact that it lets you take a break every so often to reminisce down memory lane..
[19:42:39] Nakaima Oh: Like in the da vinci code. The secret about the grandfather which turned out to be stupid anyway
[19:42:55] Nakaima Oh: I agree abut the pacing
[19:43:00] Ina Centaur: lol or that it's really a family story
[19:43:12] Ina Centaur: that we'll find that sofia's reunited with her family in the end..
[19:44:24] Nakaima Oh: Another similiar genre I just read is "urban fantasy" I just read Magic to the Bone by Devon Monk. Very interesting
[19:45:05] Nakaima Oh: If I'm reading right urban fantasy combines romance, fantasy, and maybe mystery
[19:45:34] Nakaima Oh: Strong woman main character, love interest, magic :)
[19:46:47] Ina Centaur: twilight has that..
[19:47:00] Ina Centaur: hmm what's your fave urban fantasy btw
[19:47:12] Nakaima Oh: Yes. The vampires make it paranormal, right?
[19:47:55] Nakaima Oh: I don't think I've read many. The Monk book I just mentioned was good. I'll read the next one when it comes out.
[19:48:12] Nakaima Oh: Do you have a favorite?
[19:49:01] Ina Centaur: hmm not particularly..
[19:49:18] Ina Centaur: the urban fantasies are all sort of lumped together in fan-fiction-like worlds
[19:49:41] Ina Centaur: twilight is almost in that category too... but i really liked the pacing, so i thought there was something literary to study
[19:49:51] Nakaima Oh: I dont think I've read any fan fiction, but I've heard about it.
[19:49:52] Ina Centaur: except the thing is - the closer i read into twilight, the less it's b ecoming
[19:50:14] Ina Centaur: fan fiction is typically derivative world/characters
[19:50:45] Nakaima Oh: Well, if you are looking for "literary" this probably isn't it. :)
[19:51:03] Nakaima Oh: On the other hand, I think it is very interesting.
[19:51:23] Nakaima Oh: From a technical standpoint I mean
[19:51:37] Nakaima Oh: How does she get us to care about Bella?
[19:51:50] Nakaima Oh: Mastering that would be useful in any fiction
[19:52:02] Ina Centaur: well, the situations so far are ones i've been in
[19:52:15] Ina Centaur: the previous chapter for ex... walking/stumbling alone in a nearly empty street
[19:52:40] Ina Centaur: that sense of uncertain danger.. esp if it's near dark
[19:52:46] Nakaima Oh: Yes, that could be part of it -- wow, I've never been in one where I was actually in danger. Plenty where I was scared though.
[19:52:47] Ina Centaur: and there are these derelicts about...
[19:52:54] Ina Centaur: well, yeah scared for me - never in danger
[19:53:00] Ina Centaur: but always paranoid that a ddangerous situation could occur..
[19:53:13] Nakaima Oh: I know what you mean.
[19:53:51] Nakaima Oh: Well, then drawing familar situations well might be part of the technique
[19:54:01] Ina Centaur: i'm not sure how much of it is pacing - or just these likely situations
[19:54:04] Ina Centaur: yeah..
[19:54:12] Nakaima Oh: The high school and family stuff feels familiar too
[19:54:40] Ina Centaur: yep
[19:54:48] Ina Centaur: bella almost feels like an old version of myself
[19:55:01] Nakaima Oh: This kinds of books aimed at younger readers always seem to make the main character secretly special too
[19:55:16] Nakaima Oh: Well, identify a lot too.
[19:55:24] Nakaima Oh: PE! Yikes.
[19:55:37] Ina Centaur: yeah.. PE was never my thing either..
[19:55:37] Nakaima Oh: I already mentioned her mother reminds me of mine.
[19:56:16] Ina Centaur: hmm childlike?
[19:56:50] Nakaima Oh: Still a hippy. A little helpless, but totally sweet, even adorable sometimes. :)
[19:57:27] Ina Centaur: that's cute..
[19:57:42] Ina Centaur: my mother is kind of like that too..
[19:58:08] Nakaima Oh: The 60s and 70s still having their effects. :)
[19:58:19] Ina Centaur: yeah i think it would be rare if either parent weren't similar to the reader's
[19:58:54] Nakaima Oh: That's an iteresting idea. No matter what your parents are like, they would be like one of them. hmm
[19:59:11] Nakaima Oh: Now that could be very useful in writing these kinds of books!
[19:59:39] Ina Centaur: what do you think of bella's character btw?
[19:59:54] Ina Centaur: a few chapters ago, she was trying to manipulate jacob to get him to tell her something
[19:59:56] Nakaima Oh: I think it's pretty well developed
[20:00:01] Ina Centaur: she seemd rather guilty about it
[20:00:07] Nakaima Oh: I like strong women characters
[20:00:18] Ina Centaur: she still is, even when she regurgitated her source to ed in his volvo, in this chapter
[20:00:31] Ina Centaur: well, it's first person, so i imagine the reader would enjoy a stronger protagonist..
[20:00:35] Ina Centaur: but what about a protagonist with flaws?
[20:00:59] Nakaima Oh: I wonder if you need that in books like these?
[20:01:13] Nakaima Oh: She does have flaws, but they are not the kind she really has to overcome.
[20:02:03] Ina Centaur: well, i would imagine flaws are needed to groun her character in realism...
[20:02:05] Nakaima Oh: I'm again reminded of Pullman's Lyra who really does have to overcome a flaw or at least learn and grow by the end
[20:02:24] Ina Centaur: hmm, what's bella's conflict btw?
[20:02:41] Nakaima Oh: Good question!
[20:02:57] Ina Centaur: i think some guys who tried reading this found the novel meandering...
[20:03:12] Ina Centaur: i dunno, the novel is in part fantasy, and meandering is characteristic of the genre..
[20:03:24] Ina Centaur: but, bella's goal isn't really clear, though
[20:03:34] Nakaima Oh: I've only met one guy who admits reading them and he was in the snooty group of writers making fun of them.
[20:03:39] Ina Centaur: it fits as first person, because i dunno - i at least - am often uncertain of my goal
[20:03:50] Ina Centaur: but the criticism for that is that the person is too much of a ditz
[20:04:07] Ina Centaur: do you find any of his claims valid?
[20:04:17] Nakaima Oh: She has many struggles though. She is struggling to fit in to a new school, but then she is blindsided by love.
[20:05:10] Nakaima Oh: Well, as you said, it doesn't work as well when you look closely. But I think some of the crit migh be jealosy. Like how did she do that? :)
[20:05:51] Ina Centaur: it's the harry potter factor though.. people want to have this ordinary-ish person suddenly become extraordinary
[20:06:00] Ina Centaur: i think that's people's secret wish
[20:06:32] Nakaima Oh: It's probably classic even. Bella's klutziness really means she's special.
[20:07:12] Ina Centaur: hmm. do you think we're overanalyzing? basically trying to see every point in the book as a good one?
[20:07:17] Nakaima Oh: Her falling down, her brain that E can't read, all if just point out how she will turn in a way no one has turned before.
[20:07:32] Nakaima Oh: Oh, probably. :)
[20:07:45] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:07:59] Nakaima Oh: I mean we could put on our workshopping hats and give it a good going over.
[20:08:11] Nakaima Oh: I'm not sure that would actually make it much better though.
[20:08:34] Ina Centaur: yep..
[20:08:46] Ina Centaur: i also find bella's vocab plausible for a high school senior
[20:08:53] Nakaima Oh: it isn't trying to be jane eyre either. :)
[20:09:02] Ina Centaur: especially one who reads jane austen for fun
[20:09:07] Ina Centaur: lol - yep!
[20:09:20] Ina Centaur: i think bella's a well crafted character overall
[20:09:22] Ji Ni: thanks for the tp :)
[20:09:38] Nakaima Oh: Hi Ji!
[20:09:49] Ji Ni: Hi Nakaima :)
[20:10:57] Ji Ni: So what did i miss?
[20:11:24] Nakaima Oh: Oh, chap 9 talk. :)
[20:11:30] Ina Centaur: oh some speculations on twilight. yep and ch 9
[20:11:45] Ina Centaur: http://slchatr.com/now/Ina Centaur/8a5c8fdb-1792-964f-a9c9-6fd96aa74d92
[20:12:23] Nakaima Oh: I keep forgetting about that, Ina. I should be careful not to reveal my plans to take over the world.
[20:12:40] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:13:13] Ji Ni: when you do can I have kristen?
[20:13:28] Nakaima Oh: :)
[20:13:49] Ji Ni: or give me to kristen, whichever works for ya
[20:14:19] Nakaima Oh: you two will have to work it out :)
[20:14:28] Ji Ni: yay!
[20:14:48] Ina Centaur: lol ok then o.O
[20:14:51] Ji Ni: so what happens in ch 9?
[20:15:48] Nakaima Oh: This one is convenietly summed up in the last paragraph. E is a vampire, he might eat her, and she loves him.
[20:16:05] Ji Ni: aww thats sweet
[20:17:02] Ina Centaur: yep :-D
[20:17:05] Nakaima Oh: It's mainly a chapter in the car coming back to town.
[20:17:09] Ina Centaur: they basically talk about stuffs as they ride home
[20:17:14] Ina Centaur: yep
[20:17:33] Ji Ni: mmm car chats
[20:17:47] Nakaima Oh: Now that we've said that, I guess M can make that work by playing on the tension in the conversation.
[20:17:58] Ji Ni: talks you cant run away from without jumping out, tucking and rolling
[20:18:07] Nakaima Oh: :)
[20:18:25] Nakaima Oh: Not even that really since E drives at 100 mph
[20:18:48] Ji Ni: ok, that would hurt
[20:19:09] Ji Ni: is that when he talks about being telepathic?
[20:19:23] Ji Ni: or starts out that way
[20:19:26] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:19:41] Ina Centaur: the talks on telepathy happened in the previous chapter...
[20:19:44] Nakaima Oh: Yes, he talks about it
[20:19:46] Ina Centaur: but bella asks him for more details
[20:19:59] Nakaima Oh: Well, he tells her more how it works here
[20:20:01] Ina Centaur: and edward poses a theory on why he can't read bella's
[20:20:08] Ina Centaur: perhaps he reads FM... and bella's mind is on AM
[20:20:17] Ina Centaur: Bella: "My mind doesn't work right? I'm a freak?"
[20:20:23] Ji Ni: lol
[20:20:37] Nakaima Oh: Don't you think he would have been smarter to say she was FM?
[20:20:55] Ina Centaur: ?
[20:20:55] Ji Ni: you'd think so, although am has more talk
[20:21:03] Ina Centaur: i thought AM was the hard one to hear...
[20:21:06] Ina Centaur: lol!!
[20:21:34] Nakaima Oh: Yes, but if your are going to be called radio by a guy, I'd rather he be thinking fm.
[20:22:02] Ji Ni: smooth jazz?
[20:22:13] Nakaima Oh: not so many ads
[20:22:20] Ji Ni: ah true
[20:22:28] Ina Centaur: ...
[20:22:31] Ina Centaur: lol!!
[20:23:08] Ina Centaur: so edward replies with
[20:23:16] Ina Centaur: "I hear voices in my mind and you're worried that *you're* the freak"
[20:23:28] Ji Ni: lol
[20:23:45] Ina Centaur: "DOn't worry, it's just a theory... which brings us back to you."
[20:24:08] Ina Centaur: bella's silent and look@ the speedometer
[20:24:08] Nakaima Oh: it just occured to me she lies to charlie in this chap too
[20:24:21] Ina Centaur: 100mph :-O ... she mentions how if they crash into a tree, he'll survive but she won't. he goes down to 80
[20:24:36] Ina Centaur: and next she tells of what she learned from jacob.. as well as how she got it from him - again her guilt at being manipulative
[20:25:16] Ina Centaur: she barely lies though.. she was just with jess - a few hours ago
[20:25:19] Nakaima Oh: She does seem surprised it worked on jacob though so maybe it just her learning to use her power over men
[20:25:38] Ina Centaur: yes. i wonder why it didn't work back in phoenix..
[20:25:43] Nakaima Oh: Yeah, I just looked it over. She is right on the edge
[20:25:55] Nakaima Oh: too young?
[20:26:02] Nakaima Oh: only now deveooping
[20:26:10] Ina Centaur: 17.5
[20:26:19] Nakaima Oh: remember she says she is not used to being noticed by boys
[20:26:25] Nakaima Oh: oh, right too old
[20:26:40] Ina Centaur: hmm
[20:26:41] Nakaima Oh: hmm something about being near the vamires?
[20:27:18] Nakaima Oh: they bring out the best in her?
[20:28:14] Ji Ni: isnt that stereotypical though?
[20:28:42] Ji Ni: young woman, first serious relationship....then the little white lies start with the parentals
[20:29:42] Nakaima Oh: It does sound familiar
[20:30:09] Ji Ni: i think it builds a plausible character
[20:30:39] Ina Centaur: yep..
[20:30:51] Ina Centaur: i think bella's flaws make her seem more real
[20:30:58] Ina Centaur: have you guys seen the movie called Bella?
[20:31:02] Ina Centaur: (not related to twilight)
[20:31:07] Nakaima Oh: i think she does seem pretty real
[20:31:07] Ji Ni: yet she's guilty about it which affirms her honesty, she's still a 'good guy' so to speak
[20:31:24] Ji Ni: no i havent
[20:31:24] Nakaima Oh: I haven't seen it, Ina
[20:33:11] Nakaima Oh: Well, I think my vampire time is up. Fun talking about these books. I'll try to make it again. :)
[20:33:19] Ina Centaur: check out the movie Bella sometimes..
[20:33:26] Nakaima Oh: ao on
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[20:33:28] Ina Centaur: it's insightful.. especially the realism in character flaws
[20:33:33] Ina Centaur: ok tc!
[20:33:42] Nakaima Oh: I'll write it down. I could use a good movie!
[20:33:46] Ina Centaur: and yep, jini, i think bella does enough penace in repeating mention of her guilt..
[20:33:59] Nakaima Oh: nite ji, ina
[20:34:04] Ina Centaur: nite!
[20:34:10] Ji Ni: Cya Nakaima :)
[20:35:48] Ji Ni: Are you twilighted out? We can change topics or break it up if you want :)
[20:37:37] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:37:44] Ina Centaur: i'm ok..
[20:37:56] Ina Centaur: hum anything of note in twilight of this moment?
[20:38:34] Ji Ni: hrm...
[20:39:26] Ji Ni: nothing comes to mind...although i was looking at that apple again
[20:39:51] Ji Ni: im not sure its worth thinking about cuz it may just have been the publishers decision
[20:40:01] Ji Ni: but the apple could have different meanings
[20:40:31] Ji Ni: i like the pic too, i should try and scam a poster of that
[20:41:16] Ina Centaur: remember the quote?
[20:41:23] Ina Centaur: from genesis about the tree of knowledge
[20:41:25] Ina Centaur: opens the book
[20:41:36] Ji Ni: thats true
[20:41:45] Ji Ni: but how that relates to the story
[20:42:05] Ji Ni: i guess its kinda obvious
[20:42:31] Ji Ni: her innocence, persuing the 'forbidden' fruit, a vampire
[20:45:40] Ina Centaur: hmm
[20:45:46] Ina Centaur: and also her journey into a whole new world
[20:45:49] Ina Centaur: beyond god's eden
[20:45:55] Ina Centaur: knowledge of this dark part..
[20:46:16] Ji Ni: the savage garden :)
[20:46:36] Ina Centaur: ?But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.? 2:17
And, Book 1, is about Bella?s ?fall from innocence,? rather, her escape of the regular reality to discover the supernatural one, just like how that quote surmounts Eve?s fall from Eden.
[20:46:53] Ina Centaur: yep.. so at times it felt very derivative from anne rice..
[20:47:05] Ji Ni: for sure
[20:47:14] Ina Centaur: i still love both bella and ed though..
[20:47:30] Ji Ni: ya :)
[20:47:44] Ji Ni: the rice books didnt have quite the romance these had
[20:48:18] Ji Ni: but they had alot more depth story wise
[20:49:01] Ina Centaur: yes.. rice seems to prefer guy-guy romances..
[20:49:12] Ji Ni: lol
[20:49:15] Ina Centaur: truly..
[20:49:38] Ji Ni: they do seem in there
[20:49:52] Ji Ni: lestat and the vamp queen got it on though
[20:50:08] Ina Centaur: yeah true...
[20:50:13] Ina Centaur: but mostly guys
[20:50:15] Ina Centaur: louis-lestat
[20:50:17] Ina Centaur: louis-armand
[20:50:22] Ina Centaur: armand-marius
[20:50:28] Ina Centaur: armand-that reporter guy..
[20:50:40] Ina Centaur: and guys with little girls.. louis-claudia (sorta)
[20:50:58] Ina Centaur: amazing how the novel was mainstream bestseller - with its nonconventional romances
[20:51:08] Ji Ni: guys and their mothers, with lestat
[20:51:14] Ina Centaur: lestat-gertrude
[20:51:15] Ina Centaur: lol yes..
[20:51:26] Ina Centaur: lestat-playing chess with his dead father and watching him die (but not forcing him to die..)
[20:51:32] Ji Ni: so basically vampire men are disfunctional
[20:51:52] Ji Ni: and vampire women are cruely indifferent
[20:51:54] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:51:57] Ina Centaur: so it seems
[20:52:10] Ina Centaur: pandora was the only book from a vamp woman pov.. wasn't well done though
[20:52:25] Ina Centaur: oh, also lestat-talbot
[20:52:26] Ji Ni: i didnt read that one
[20:52:36] Ina Centaur: yeah i couldn't get past the first few chaptesr of pandora
[20:52:40] Ina Centaur: very first draft
[20:52:55] Ina Centaur: sometimes i wonder if the vamps are real but they'd just used anne rice's name to published the books ;-D
[20:53:08] Ina Centaur: .. so hence why the new vamp stories kinda sux... cuz those *aren't* real
[20:53:08] Ji Ni: that would be awsome
[20:53:09] Ina Centaur: >.>
[20:53:11] Ina Centaur: lol yes!!
[20:53:23] Ji Ni: how to convince one to turn me
[20:53:26] Ina Centaur: so yeah whenever i'm in london or one of the talamasca cities, i would go around trying to find the talamasca
[20:53:32] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:54:12] Ina Centaur: i've always wanted to ask an anne rice vamp, "OK, so I get the point that every 100 years or so you get so sick of earth and humanity you have to like bury yourself underground and like hibernate out or something.. but like have you ever considered lauching yourself out into space?
[20:54:32] Ina Centaur: ... like if you're old enough, sunlight doesn't disintegrate you, and you don't have to breathe and you can stand great force, so you probably don't even need a space suit
[20:54:39] Ina Centaur: .. so you could just float out until you see something interestig."
[20:54:53] Ji Ni: would be so lonely
[20:55:10] Ji Ni: could drift for millions of years before seeing anything
[20:55:36] Ji Ni: thats a bit worse than a 100 year dirt nap
[20:56:58] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:57:02] Ina Centaur: true that i guess
[20:57:11] Ina Centaur: but the thing is they've grown sick of everything though
[20:58:12] Ina Centaur: i guess they haven't lost *all* hope?
[20:58:23] Ji Ni: i think so
[20:58:36] Ina Centaur: remarkably little is mentioned of space
[20:58:52] Ina Centaur: iirc vamp lestat describes the modern era with its rock music and condoms
[20:59:07] Ina Centaur: c1970s/60s? ... but yeah, nothing is mentioned of space..
[20:59:09] Ji Ni: ya lol
[20:59:19] Ji Ni: well anne rice is a bit older
[20:59:29] Ji Ni: i guess thats bleeding edge for her
[21:00:19] Ji Ni: lestats mom would prolly get into computational physics though
[21:00:32] Ji Ni: she was the most bleeding edge of all her chars
[21:00:52] Ina Centaur: lol
[21:00:58] Ina Centaur: she was the one who basically wandered the amazons alone..
[21:00:58] Ji Ni: not much for peole, but she loved knowledge
[21:01:02] Ina Centaur: she's very solitary
[21:01:09] Ji Ni: ya
[21:01:10] Ina Centaur: and lestat's flaw was loving her when she'd prefer no one..
[21:01:18] Ji Ni: ya hehe
[21:01:25] Ji Ni: poor guy
[21:01:54] Ji Ni: but he needed to break that bond it was way too tight to begin with
[21:02:09] Ina Centaur: very quintessentially oedipal..
[21:03:06] Ji Ni: although you are vampire, your mind is still very much human
[21:03:40] Ji Ni: and i think the speed of change in society, and plus all the world to explore....it would occupy you constantly
[21:04:19] Ji Ni: for me, if i wasent working on my 497th phd, id be diving under the antarctic ice
[21:04:23] Ina Centaur: yes rice's theory is that vamps never do evolve much from the human they were @ their time of transformation
[21:04:42] Ina Centaur: lol...
[21:04:54] Ina Centaur: yeah that's the other thing.. lestat, for all his ego, hasn't done a whole lot
[21:05:04] Ina Centaur: like - he could have tried exploring under the sea - and beyond
[21:05:19] Ji Ni: true
[21:05:40] Ji Ni: he really wasent like his mom in the end
[21:05:58] Ina Centaur: dunno, we can almost pity him i guess
[21:06:11] Ji Ni: dono why akasha gave him the time of day
[21:06:22] Ina Centaur: his flaws.. his great goals and yet his fears and tendency to just bury himself undergrounds..
[21:06:35] Ji Ni: marius was way more mature
[21:06:39] Ina Centaur: hmm
[21:10:37] Ina Centaur: maybe
[21:10:44] Ina Centaur: rice felt she had to give her characters a more guy-girl love
[21:10:47] Ina Centaur: instead of another guy-guy thing
[21:10:59] Ina Centaur: or maybe marius was starting to get involved with jessica
[21:11:29] Ji Ni: ya could be
[21:11:47] Ji Ni: marius wasent as cold hearted as akasha
[21:12:07] Ji Ni: he was pretty darn ethical and loved the creatures of the world
[21:12:19] Ji Ni: so maybe she didnt like him for that
[21:13:31] Ina Centaur: i think she thought he was disloyal..
[21:13:44] Ji Ni: oh?
[21:15:21] Ina Centaur: not sure.. haven't read the series since like 10 years ago in 8th grade
[21:15:55] Ji Ni: lol
[21:16:01] Ji Ni: ok, nvm then
[21:16:31] Ji Ni: so just for the record, if your a vamp, hook me up ok?
[21:18:08] Ina Centaur: lol
[21:18:13] Ina Centaur: i was about to say the same thing to you
[21:18:24] Ji Ni: done! its a pact
[21:18:55] Ina Centaur: lol. not sure when if ever i'd meet a vamp..
[21:19:09] Ina Centaur: am definitely considering trying to trek the talamasca down just for the heck of it though lol
[21:19:31] Ji Ni: hehe that would be fun
[21:19:54] Ji Ni: i dont think the vamps would tolerate them nowadays though
[21:20:26] Ji Ni: it wouldnt just be cute to have a secret society of fanscholars chasing you around
[21:20:45] Ji Ni: it could risk capture by a govmt secret service
[21:21:25] Ji Ni: then your ten floors down under the pentagon surrounded by creepy people with pliers trying to figure out why your immortal and their not
[21:21:25] Ina Centaur: lol
[21:21:37] Ina Centaur: yeah you wonder why real vamps never occurred in the 9 years of xfiles..
[21:22:33] Ji Ni: man i loved that show
[21:22:42] Ji Ni: vamps prolly produced that show
[21:24:35] Ina Centaur: lol
[21:24:41] Ina Centaur: hum...
[21:24:45] Ina Centaur: chris carter as a vamp..
[21:24:49] Ina Centaur: well david d might be a vamp..
[21:24:52] Ina Centaur: he looks kinda vampy at times
[21:25:03] Ji Ni: and he's a sex addict
[21:25:27] Ji Ni: ie male vamp disfunctionality theme
[21:25:59] Ina Centaur: david d?
[21:26:07] Ji Ni: ya
[21:28:10] Ji Ni: although vamps have alot of spare time to get good at sex, i imagine they do it alot
[21:28:53] Ina Centaur: lol
[21:31:37] Ji Ni: i should head out :)
[21:31:46] Ji Ni: cya tomorrow :)
[19:03:05] Ina Centaur: hi! |
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