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[19:32:01] Ina Centaur: welcome to chapter 14: mind over matter
[19:32:07] Ji Ni: yay!
[19:32:15] Ina Centaur: it's the chapter where edward goes *into* bella's room at night
[19:32:25] Ji Ni: naughty boy :)
[19:32:43] Ina Centaur: they don't really do anything naughty though..
[19:32:58] Ji Ni: no its twilight :/
[19:33:03] Ji Ni: pg rated
[19:33:19] Ina Centaur: lol
[19:33:23] Ina Centaur: but it's also rather intimate...
[19:33:28] Ina Centaur: despite the lack of actual physicality
[19:33:32] Ina Centaur: i dunno, found it kinda sweet.
[19:33:56] Ji Ni: mind sex, i call it, just snuggling and talking
[19:34:32] Ina Centaur: lol
[19:34:39] Ji Ni: its a good example i think for the youngins ;)
[19:34:47] Ji Ni: its not all about the shebang
[19:35:06] Ina Centaur: it's actually more fun to read about this than the physical stuff
[19:35:24] Ji Ni: ya :)
[19:35:42] Ji Ni: and meyers does have a cool sense of humor, i think that floats alot of the book
[19:35:55] Ji Ni: via bella, or just in the situations
[19:35:59] Ina Centaur: lol yep
[19:36:18] Ina Centaur: such as the part in this chapter where edward closes his hands around bella - like manacles....
[19:36:25] Ina Centaur: but he says "i'm your prisoner"
[19:36:40] Ji Ni: hehe
[19:37:05] Ji Ni: he's such a goth
[19:37:21] Ina Centaur: lol
[19:37:34] Ji Ni: Hello Callie :)
[19:37:37] Callie Lobo: Hello
[19:37:37] Ina Centaur: hi callie, welcome to twilight discussions!
[19:37:57] Callie Lobo: I have been getting the notices, but this is the first discussion I have been able to attend.
[19:38:04] Ina Centaur: we are officially talking about book 1 - chapter 14: mind over matter ... but topic is generally open
[19:38:34] Ji Ni: yay! glad you could make it :)
[19:38:34] Callie Lobo: It's been a little while since I read Twilight, I will have to get it out...lol.
[19:38:37] Ina Centaur: it's the snuggle chapter..
[19:38:47] Ina Centaur: and to think back to high school..
[19:39:02] Ina Centaur: i think this is one event that i'd hoped to happen
[19:39:20] Callie Lobo: I read all four books too close together and I get details mixed up.
[19:39:21] Ji Ni: how so?
[19:39:24] Ina Centaur: the non-supernatural elements aside, too. basically, just that hawt guy you've a crush on hiding in your room
[19:39:43] Ina Centaur: (yep - i read the entire series in a week. re-reading it now in a close reading)
[19:40:04] Ji Ni: lol the "ya wana make out?" was like THE THING :)
[19:40:10] Ina Centaur: edward enters *behind* bella... even as she tries calling out to him from her window
[19:40:17] Ina Centaur: it's almost like the reverse-balcony scene in romeo and juliet
[19:40:46] Ina Centaur: well, not necessarily make out.. but just more quality time with that hawt guy ;-P
[19:41:53] Ji Ni: hehe
[19:42:07] Ina Centaur: :-D
[19:42:08] Ji Ni: i think we scared Callie already :(
[19:42:19] Ina Centaur: aww
[19:42:33] Callie Lobo: No, I am reading back to see if I remember this chapter.
[19:42:36] Ina Centaur: well, the thing with twilight is that... even though the prose is really passive - there's no explicit gory carnal sex...
[19:42:42] Ina Centaur: it's really all happening in the reader's mind
[19:42:46] Callie Lobo: I am already finding things I missed the first time around.
[19:42:46] Ina Centaur: so it can be as extreme as interpreted.
[19:43:00] Ji Ni: thats true...
[19:43:14] Ji Ni: i mean, what did he really do to her in her sleep? hmm?
[19:43:18] Ina Centaur: so, yeah, i continue thinking about stephen king's commentary on twilight
[19:43:32] Ji Ni: /me spits.
[19:43:34] Ina Centaur: he complained about the lack of explicit sex... lol, i guess king has to be sheepled into sex then >.>
[19:43:42] Ji Ni: Stephen King is dead to me!
[19:43:50] Ina Centaur: lol..
[19:43:59] Ina Centaur: i wonder what king thinks of anne rice..
[19:44:14] Ji Ni: lol rice buries king in her sleep
[19:44:21] Ina Centaur: yeah what would edward be doing to bella as she sleeps
[19:44:26] Ina Centaur: is he basically just like a giant stone teddy bear?
[19:44:40] Ina Centaur: rice vs king...
[19:44:43] Ji Ni: rice could finger paint loose stick figures and it would still have more class than king ever had
[19:46:50] Ina Centaur: true that
[19:46:56] Ji Ni: so what do they talk about? i should call up my quotes screen
[19:47:15] Ina Centaur: yeah there are certain things king just can't do.. he's generally very explicit, sometimes his characters are annoyingly sheeple detailed
[19:47:35] Ina Centaur: well, edward pretty much tells her the secrets of his family
[19:48:05] Ina Centaur: hmm that was on the car though..
[19:48:18] Ina Centaur: - but i think this was when bella found out alice had powers too
[19:48:39] Ina Centaur: in bed, bella asks him why he chooses to be the way he is
[19:49:10] Ina Centaur: and carlisle's theory for vampire powers... that human traits are intensified in their next life
[19:49:33] Callie Lobo: Thanks for the discussion. I have a friend tping me. I will try to return for further discussions.
[19:49:47] Ina Centaur: k.. tc cal..
[19:50:00] Ina Centaur: anyway, bella actually starts talking vampire philosophy with edward in bed
[19:50:15] Ina Centaur: "where did vamps come from.."
[19:50:28] Ina Centaur: edward believes god created vamps o.O
[19:52:11] Ji Ni: dang we lost her
[19:52:43] Ina Centaur: yep. oh well. back to my theory of how RP'ers on SL aren't the reading type..
[19:53:10] Ina Centaur: lol.. i can't forget the time when i tried rp-ing with some vampires on SL who claim to know anne rice saga and they didn't know who armand was >.<
[19:53:31] Ji Ni: cuz they'd rather stand around and gossip in OOC?
[19:54:00] Ina Centaur: lol that's so annoying.. like a text chat screen full of ((ogm phone again. um bathroom now. um, now i'm hungry.))
[19:54:09] Ji Ni: lol ya
[19:54:29] Ji Ni: if i owned a rp sim id simply ban anyone caught ooc
[19:54:45] Ji Ni: if your in sim then your rp'ing...period
[19:54:57] Ji Ni: need a break then piss off
[19:55:03] Ina Centaur: well, sometimes people *have* to go afk.. and TP's are borked
[19:55:20] Ji Ni: id rather a tp than ooc anyday
[19:55:28] Ina Centaur: i dunno, in a perverted way, it is like the people of SL reacting to SL borkage
[19:55:35] Ina Centaur: by doing this totally borked oop. heh
[19:55:41] Ina Centaur: well tp's don't always work..
[19:55:45] Ji Ni: tp can be explained as 'character fades stage left'
[19:56:25] Ji Ni: you mean tp's not working? thats pretty rare
[19:56:51] Ji Ni: or you could just go to an isolated area and lay down or something rp'ish for being out of action, i dono
[19:56:59] Ji Ni: i just freakni despise ooc
[19:57:31] Ji Ni: and how the hell coould you not know armand?
[19:57:38] Ji Ni: holy crap
[19:58:14] Ina Centaur: yeah..
[19:58:24] Ina Centaur: i guess some people on SL just don't read - never read?
[19:58:32] Ina Centaur: lol yeah..
[19:58:49] Ina Centaur: tp's can be explained as magic in general
[19:58:54] Ina Centaur: but yeah tp's are often broken on RP sims
[19:58:57] Ina Centaur: especially places like midian
[19:59:02] Ina Centaur: where lag and performance are real issues
[19:59:13] Ji Ni: ya, where i can never go :(
[19:59:39] Ji Ni: my system can barely run xp let alone SL at the same time lol
[19:59:57] Ji Ni: so im barely hanging on most of the time
[20:00:14] Ji Ni: like that twilight sim, it was mostly a grey slideshow to me
[20:00:46] Ji Ni: i managed to get out of the school though hehe i saw a house across the street
[20:00:57] Ji Ni: not sure if it was bella's
[20:02:09] Ina Centaur: wow..
[20:02:31] Ina Centaur: have you tried using the third party viewers
[20:02:33] Ina Centaur: like imprudence
[20:02:43] Ji Ni: i use cool ll
[20:02:43] Ina Centaur: http://imprudenceviewer.org/
[20:02:58] Ji Ni: is that more lag friendly?
[20:03:07] Ina Centaur: possibly
[20:03:11] Ina Centaur: try it out to see if that works better?
[20:03:22] Ina Centaur: people are generally saying it runs with less bugs
[20:05:17] Ji Ni: sweet
[20:05:24] Ji Ni: im pretty happy with cool ll so far
[20:05:46] Ji Ni: just being able to double click on objects and it wears them? pure gold
[20:06:51] Ji Ni: and it has rlv built in
[20:07:37] Ji Ni: so if some supernatural looking creature came up and offered to turn you, what sort of questions would you ask?
[20:07:55] Ina Centaur: hmmm
[20:08:19] Ina Centaur: "which mythos is the *real* one?" ... "what's the catch.." ... "why me?"
[20:08:30] Ina Centaur: lol what about you
[20:09:36] Ji Ni: id want to know if its post death animation by something else or do I get to stick around and be a vamp first of all
[20:10:14] Ji Ni: id want a penthouse apt too, none of this sleeping in crypts
[20:10:15] Ina Centaur: yeah basically is it like stephen king/richard matheson vampires
[20:10:20] Ina Centaur: or like anne rice types
[20:10:33] Ina Centaur: as a vamp, are you a zombie or are you capable of thought
[20:10:41] Ji Ni: yes :)
[20:10:43] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:11:00] Ji Ni: thats another thing too, why me....
[20:11:07] Ina Centaur: so seriously the first thing you'd ask is, "ok, so what's the package for being a real vamp?"
[20:11:11] Ji Ni: thats a moment of pause
[20:11:14] Ina Centaur: not like *scream* o.O
[20:11:19] Ji Ni: lol
[20:11:30] Ji Ni: well depends how freaky it is
[20:11:48] Ji Ni: i think that if they cant at least tone it down if they want to that would be severely compromising
[20:12:32] Ji Ni: but ya once i got over the initial 'zomg!
[20:12:46] Ji Ni: i wouldnt care to waste any time
[20:12:54] Ji Ni: what if it changes its mind!
[20:13:00] Ji Ni: or its nearly sunrise
[20:13:23] Ji Ni: then ' oh, well.....maybe some other time *poof*' and thats it, never see it again
[20:13:36] Ji Ni: id be kickin myself inthe ass till i die
[20:13:36] Ina Centaur: yeah that would be mean.. turn you into a vamp just to watch you turn to dust in sun
[20:14:07] Ji Ni: that would be mean
[20:14:22] Ina Centaur: if vamps are soulless creatures.. that's def a poss..
[20:14:30] Ji Ni: for sure
[20:15:22] Ji Ni: if i cant change clothes and shower once in a while pass
[20:15:45] Ji Ni: gotta take in a good movie once in a while too
[20:15:58] Ji Ni: and definitely still be able to internet
[20:16:47] Ji Ni: oh, another big one...can i use extra powerful senses to check people out before i kill them....then i can be picky
[20:17:31] Ji Ni: lots of crack dealers, organised crime lords, dictators, and general scum to live on for a long long time
[20:17:41] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:17:50] Ina Centaur: do you imagine real vampires to be predators - scary..
[20:18:07] Ji Ni: i dono
[20:18:26] Ji Ni: i think anyone is scary when they are ripping your throat out lol
[20:18:54] Ji Ni: but i think the most predatory vamp would be one that blends in
[20:19:12] Ji Ni: someone with looks and character than are rather unremarkable
[20:19:40] Ji Ni: if you only turn people of unbelievable beauty well they stick out
[20:20:12] Ina Centaur: yep..
[20:20:22] Ji Ni: and people notice who your with, which could be inconvenient when they dissapear later
[20:21:17] Ji Ni: but then, you could always hunt with a good hoodie and dirty jeans on
[20:21:33] Ji Ni: then you can chill and be all hawt and amazing later
[20:22:01] Ji Ni: or a ninja outfit :)
[20:22:12] Ji Ni: leaping from roof to roof with your ninja sword
[20:22:28] Ji Ni: they'd never suspect your actually a vampire
[20:23:54] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:24:02] Ina Centaur: that would be so in the ideal case though
[20:24:06] Ina Centaur: what if things don't go as expected?
[20:24:07] Ina Centaur: how would you react
[20:24:28] Ji Ni: kill everybody, dead people dont talk
[20:24:54] Ji Ni: oh you mean when someone offers to turn me?
[20:26:33] Ina Centaur: yep..
[20:26:44] Ji Ni: well just gotta feel it out
[20:27:13] Ji Ni: its kinda like meeting a bear in the woods, you can play it any way you want, but in the end its the bear that decides if you get to live
[20:30:02] Ji Ni: if they are talking rather than making you into a warm blooded slurpie, thats a good start
[20:30:53] Ina Centaur: lol..
[20:31:27] Ji Ni: but still its why me?
[20:31:32] Ji Ni: why anyone really
[20:31:51] Ina Centaur: you smell just right? ;-P
[20:32:21] Ji Ni: marius chose his proteges because he felt they had the mentality for such a long lifespan
[20:32:40] Ji Ni: a certian vitality
[20:33:23] Ji Ni: i think ethics would play into it too, turning someone that will just be a mindless predator would risk exposure
[20:34:23] Ina Centaur: lol don't like the love excuse for vamping?
[20:34:35] Ji Ni: i wouldnt have turned lestat, he was mostly just a headcase
[20:34:43] Ji Ni: love?
[20:34:45] Ji Ni: meh
[20:34:56] Ji Ni: maybe a prospective lover
[20:34:57] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:35:04] Ina Centaur: magnus had a thing for male actors
[20:35:09] Ina Centaur: but yeah he killed himself right after.. wth
[20:35:13] Ina Centaur: i guess he could read lestat's thoughts
[20:35:17] Ina Centaur: he was impressed that he killed all those wolves
[20:35:27] Ji Ni: lol ya
[20:36:29] Ji Ni: he was just a kid really...being in the big city he realised just how little people he was
[20:36:57] Ji Ni: slumming it out behind a stage, and drinking at night....ooooh high roller
[20:37:56] Ji Ni: i think he only got epic when he was searching for marius
[20:38:07] Ji Ni: he put in the elbow grease then
[20:38:14] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:38:28] Ji Ni: but otherwise most of his highlights were stuff that just happened to him, being in the right place at the right time
[20:38:47] Ji Ni: and he tries to make it out like he's the hot shit
[20:38:54] Ina Centaur: well he does become a rock star
[20:38:59] Ina Centaur: he's pretty hawt
[20:39:22] Ji Ni: its easy for him with his vamp skills
[20:40:11] Ina Centaur: yep
[20:40:34] Ji Ni: a real vamp would go into techno anyway, way more complex
[20:40:43] Ji Ni: or jazz improv
[20:41:20] Ji Ni: or be cloning humans for the raelians
[20:41:30] Ji Ni: thats what id do i think
[20:41:54] Ina Centaur: lol
[20:43:20] Ji Ni: or swim around inthe ocean learning how to talk to giant squid
[20:43:24] Ji Ni: or something
[20:43:34] Ji Ni: i would never get bored as an immortal
[20:43:51] Ji Ni: im fascinated by pretty much everything
[20:44:44] Ji Ni: id learn to sculpt in marble like michelangelo
[20:45:11] Ji Ni: including veins and perfect anatomical detail
[20:46:05] Ji Ni: and id sculpt men with decent packages too, man those roman guys must have been cold or something
[20:46:37] Ji Ni: then id say fuck it and get a law degree
[20:46:48] Ji Ni: then maybe emergency medicine
[20:47:36] Ji Ni: then id paint street people for a few decades
[20:47:51] Ina Centaur: lol yep
[20:47:59] Ina Centaur: or launch yourself off into space for ex ;-P
[20:48:12] Ji Ni: id like to run around on mars
[20:48:16] Ji Ni: that would be neat
[20:48:45] Ji Ni: have you read Red Mars by kim stanley robinson?
[20:50:02] Ina Centaur: sounds familiar...
[20:50:35] Ji Ni: kicks ass, strongly recommended
[20:51:07] Ji Ni: about 3/4 of the way through they discover a life extension therapy, then boom the rest of the series the chars get to overlooks the whole terraforming of mars
[20:51:49] Ji Ni: like they live a 1000 years, and he plays it out really cool, how it drives some of them batty how the others cope
[20:52:05] Ji Ni: the politics of mars becoming independent
[20:53:00] Ji Ni: the one character in the third book, her name is Zoe, is one of my favourite characters of all time
[20:53:41] Ji Ni: a hedonistic, compassionate, human secularist, urban primitive
[20:53:45] Ji Ni: lol
[20:53:56] Ji Ni: hard to describe but man, she rocks my world
[20:54:28] Ji Ni: she lives like an immortal should
[20:57:47] Ina Centaur: wow..
[20:57:54] Ina Centaur: how does the book compare to twilight btw?
[20:58:24] Ji Ni: its like....bruce lee taking candy from a playground bully
[20:59:47] Ji Ni: red mars is like epic
[21:00:18] Ji Ni: its right up there with dune and heinlein
[21:01:02] Ji Ni: clark was doing backflips in his reveiws he was in awe
[21:02:58] Ina Centaur: lol interesting analogy..
[21:03:02] Ina Centaur: ok putting that on my reaading list !
[21:03:10] Ji Ni: cool :)
[21:04:37] Ina Centaur: have you heard of blue mars btw?
[21:04:51] Ji Ni: blue mars is the second book in the series
[21:04:55] Ji Ni: then green mars
[21:05:04] Ji Ni: or you mean the internet radio station?
[21:05:12] Ina Centaur: nah.. the new virtual world
[21:05:16] Ji Ni: eh?
[21:05:18] Ji Ni: no
[21:05:28] Ina Centaur: http://avatar-reality.com/
[21:09:13] Ji Ni: scanny!
[21:09:25] Ina Centaur: scanny?
[21:09:26] Ji Ni: that looks pretty amazing
[21:09:39] Ji Ni: scanny is an Outland term
[21:10:12] Ji Ni: wait Otherland
[21:10:15] Ji Ni: sorry
[21:10:26] Ji Ni: by Tad Willams
[21:10:41] Ji Ni: its a series of books that very much focuses on virtual realities
[21:10:47] Ji Ni: sci fi
[21:11:51] Ji Ni: he's prolly in SL runnin around
[21:12:12] Ina Centaur: otherland is actually a major SL land sales company
[21:12:18] Ina Centaur: *was.. not sure if they're still around.
[21:12:27] Ji Ni: lol cool
[21:13:16] Ina Centaur: lol putting that on list too
[21:13:26] Ji Ni: its good ;)
[21:13:29] Ina Centaur: http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/1828875?shelf=currently-reading
[21:13:41] Ji Ni: not very good writing technically, but his imagination shines through
[21:14:05] Ina Centaur: ack
[21:14:21] Ina Centaur: good ideas.. but plots that make you want to cry (in the bad way)?
[21:15:53] Ji Ni: eh plots are ok too
[21:15:56] Ji Ni: its just the english
[21:16:17] Ji Ni: like his first series, memory sorrow and thorn i think it was called zomg
[21:16:22] Ji Ni: omfg
[21:16:35] Ji Ni: he must have had no editor
[21:16:53] Ji Ni: cuz im picking out his grammar and spelling mistakes
[21:16:59] Ji Ni: and im harldy any kind of english major
[21:17:12] Ji Ni: but again
[21:17:18] Ji Ni: memorable scenes
[21:17:33] Ji Ni: i still can close my eyes and put myself in them
[21:18:12] Ji Ni: great imagination, but needs a kickass editor to whip his english into shape
[21:18:16] Ji Ni: which he has now
[21:19:01] Ina Centaur: wow..
[21:19:07] Ina Centaur: yuck..
[21:19:21] Ina Centaur: so there are grammar/spelling mistakes even in the main narrator's pov?
[21:19:25] Ina Centaur: (presumably not first person..)
[21:19:35] Ji Ni: everywhere
[21:19:39] Ina Centaur: ack..
[21:19:47] Ina Centaur: but yet the idea was enough to let you finish reading?
[21:19:54] Ji Ni: oh ya :)
[21:19:59] Ina Centaur: wow..
[21:20:14] Ji Ni: i thought of it like listening to some old indian guy by the fireside
[21:20:33] Ji Ni: he prolly drunk, forgot to put his teeth in
[21:20:53] Ji Ni: dropped out of school in grade ten to work on the farm
[21:20:58] Ji Ni: but mesmerising
[21:21:32] Ina Centaur: lol
[21:21:49] Ji Ni: it almost works for him because it catches you off guard
[21:22:02] Ji Ni: your thinking omg what a goof
[21:22:13] Ji Ni: "learn to speak american!'
[21:22:23] Ji Ni: then you spend all day thinking about last nights scenes
[21:23:16] Ina Centaur: lol
[21:24:38] Ji Ni: but thats how i approach literature anyway
[21:24:48] Ji Ni: im just not impressed by high english
[21:25:05] Ji Ni: its like being able to code in fortran, whippy shit
[21:25:29] Ina Centaur: meh.. typically a bit more than that..
[21:25:34] Ji Ni: what can you bring to the table that nobody has thought of before?
[21:25:57] Ina Centaur: well, ideas are basically cheap and ubiquitous - it's really the task of organizing them into a coherent whole that's hard
[21:26:07] Ji Ni: what do you have to say thats relevant?
[21:26:10] Ji Ni: ya
[21:26:31] Ji Ni: well that can end up being clever for the sake of cleverness, which drives me nuts
[21:26:40] Ji Ni: you end up with meat statues with that line of thinking
[21:26:44] Ina Centaur: lol
[21:26:52] Ji Ni: or jello paintings
[21:27:04] Ji Ni: or some useless warhol fucked in the ass crap
[21:27:27] Ji Ni: like holy shit life is too short, leave art to people that actually have something to say
[21:27:50] Ji Ni: take your cleverness and decode the human genome or cure cancer or something
[21:28:12] Ji Ni: quippiy little cleverlings just ass me off
[21:28:22] Ina Centaur: lol.. what do you think of twilight?
[21:28:28] Ji Ni: i enjoyed it
[21:28:54] Ji Ni: it was emotional, human, her humor made me smile on the bus in front of everybody
[21:29:53] Ina Centaur: but not quippy little cleverlings?
[21:30:08] Ji Ni: no she was pretty humble
[21:31:08] Ina Centaur: lol
[21:31:12] Ina Centaur: clever at times though
[21:31:25] Ji Ni: and she survived a genre thats pretty much been beaten to death, thats pretty daring
[21:31:55] Ji Ni: sure clever is ok
[21:32:35] Ina Centaur: lol
[21:32:40] Ji Ni: just pointless cleverness
[21:32:56] Ina Centaur: yeah true..
[21:35:03] Ina Centaur: have you read eudeamon btw
[21:35:17] Ji Ni: no! i couldnt find the link :(
[21:35:24] Ji Ni: my logs are gone somehow
[21:35:34] Ji Ni: i googled it and ended up reading some weird story
[21:35:41] Ina Centaur: http://www.evil-dolly.com/txt/Eudeamon.htm
[21:35:44] Ina Centaur: about banes?
[21:35:46] Ji Ni: yay!
[21:35:51] Ji Ni: omg that was it lol
[21:35:56] Ina Centaur: it's kind of weird.. but i think it's a good story. you might like it
[21:36:01] Ji Ni: she's in black latex
[21:36:02] Ina Centaur: lol so you thought it was weird
[21:36:10] Ina Centaur: it's... a very strange setting and appearance
[21:36:22] Ji Ni: ok ill read the rest of it then, it was pretty cool
[21:36:23] Ina Centaur: but there's a surprising amount of humanity to evolve..
[21:36:32] Ji Ni: did you write it?
[21:36:35] Ina Centaur: nope
[21:36:42] Ji Ni: ok
[21:36:57] Ina Centaur: i'd like to meet the author though. it's really amazing that so many people on the net have read this story - and there's no publicity froma publishing company
[21:39:09] Ji Ni: its interesting how it rolls of the tongue like 'you demon'
[21:39:14] Ji Ni: is that a real word?
[21:39:59] Ina Centaur: you'll find out later in the story the meaning of the word
[21:40:13] Ina Centaur: basically, the story amazed me.. i got it as a link in an email.
[21:40:24] Ina Centaur: i was in for a quick/mindless read - like most stories on the net
[21:40:29] Ina Centaur: but it became way more than that
[21:40:36] Ina Centaur: really a good piece.
[21:40:38] Ji Ni: cool :)
[21:40:51] Ji Ni: have you been to the story tellings around SL?
[21:41:06] Ina Centaur: some of them
[21:41:15] Ina Centaur: why?
[21:41:22] Ji Ni: lol
[21:41:28] Ji Ni: they are fun :) usually
[21:42:13] Ji Ni: again often its the case of "OMG!! *smashes the pulls the emergency editor lever*"
[21:42:18] Ji Ni: erf
[21:42:22] Ji Ni: smashes the glass
[21:42:24] Ji Ni: lol
[21:42:28] Ji Ni: need one myself
[21:42:36] Ina Centaur: lol which ones have you been to
[21:42:53] Ji Ni: um....
[21:43:06] Ji Ni: poetry readings at the blue parrott or something?
[21:43:18] Ji Ni: then there is a farmhouse sim thing where they read
[21:43:28] Ji Ni: i dono dont really recall the locations
[21:43:48] Ji Ni: there is a fireside one in a halloween type sim too i was at
[21:44:07] Ji Ni: i just go to what comes up in the Search - Events thingy
[21:44:18] Ina Centaur: oh cool
[21:44:50] Ji Ni: its ufn
[21:44:52] Ji Ni: fun
[21:45:00] Ji Ni: and some people have such beautiful voices
[21:45:05] Ji Ni: i love that
[21:45:17] Ji Ni: im a voiceaphile
[21:45:26] Ji Ni: voice perv lol
[21:45:33] Ina Centaur: lol
[21:46:00] Ji Ni: on sunday night i fell asleep in my puter chair
[21:46:09] Ji Ni: in my home location sim,
[21:46:17] Ji Ni: they have a chat circle
[21:46:26] Ji Ni: and for most of the night these three guys were chatting
[21:46:39] Ji Ni: so all through my dreams the voices of these men were weaving all through
[21:46:55] Ji Ni: was so cool
[21:47:15] Ina Centaur: notes... ji ni likes to fall asleep when people are talking.
[21:47:22] Ji Ni: lol ya
[21:47:39] Ina Centaur: lol.. hum so do you generally play audiobooks to fall asleep?
[21:47:52] Ji Ni: yes :)
[21:47:55] Ji Ni: or movies
[21:48:04] Ji Ni: i usualy have something on
[21:48:23] Ji Ni: the harry potter audiobooks were huge to me for the longest time
[21:48:33] Ji Ni: that guy is such an awsome storyteller
[21:49:08] Ji Ni: like EVERY storyteller in the world should be required to be licenced by him
[21:49:18] Ji Ni: cuz he sets the standard
[21:49:41] Ji Ni: or the jamaican guy that told the Cinnamon Princess stories
[21:49:49] Ina Centaur: wow..
[21:49:59] Ji Ni: the jamaican accent is so mesmerising
[21:50:20] Ina Centaur: i generally stay away from audiobook's since when i read a book i often see the characters differently than an audiobook reader
[21:50:42] Ji Ni: hehe
[21:50:44] Ji Ni: snob
[21:51:10] Ji Ni: i hear ya though
[21:51:27] Ji Ni: i also like to see how people interpret things
[21:52:53] Ji Ni: i like to listen to audiobooks while i game
[21:53:28] Ji Ni: gets tiring listening to the same old spell effects and grunting and screaming as you kill the 5678209457509724th orc
[21:53:45] Ji Ni: so i turn off the sound and fire up some audiobook
[21:54:23] Ji Ni: SL introducing voice chat kinda killed that
[21:54:39] Ji Ni: cuz now im all curious what people sound like
[21:54:40] Ina Centaur: yeah.. you could turn off voice chat though
[21:54:45] Ji Ni: lol ya
[21:54:49] Ji Ni: im too nosy though
[21:54:59] Ina Centaur: so that's so interesting. do you try to RP whatever you're RP while listening to the audiobook?
[21:55:14] Ina Centaur: guided RP where you're controlled by a recorded voice..
[21:55:20] Ina Centaur: kinda creepy.. hum..
[21:55:24] Ji Ni: well in warcraft i was in a rp clan, and star wars galaxies too
[21:55:46] Ina Centaur: rp while listening to twilight audiobook might be kinda weird-fun..
[21:55:51] Ji Ni: but no the audiobook dosent guide the rp
[21:55:57] Ina Centaur: you could sort of imagine yourself feeling giddy emo like bella..
[21:56:03] Ina Centaur: oh lol
[21:56:05] Ji Ni: lol
[21:56:12] Ina Centaur: well duh.. *wars doesn't really fit well in warcraft..
[21:56:25] Ji Ni: hehe
[21:56:31] Ina Centaur: totally different worlds in both characters and structures.
[21:56:37] Ji Ni: yep
[21:56:39] Ina Centaur: dunno play jedi force while listening to audiobook star wars?
[21:56:58] Ji Ni: well i listened mostly to star wars audiobooks whild playing star wars, just to catch up on story lore
[21:57:14] Ji Ni: couldnt find warcraft audiobooks though
[21:57:33] Ji Ni: jedi force?
[21:57:38] Ji Ni: tis that a mmog?
[21:58:44] Ina Centaur: hmm have you read the warcraft game manual?
[21:58:50] Ina Centaur: could perhaps record a reading of that..
[21:58:56] Ina Centaur: there's actually a lot of backstory and mythos in warcraft
[21:59:04] Ji Ni: ya there is, quite a few books
[21:59:12] Ina Centaur: i think jedi force is multiuser.. dunno haven't played it for like a decade
[21:59:13] Ji Ni: and good websites just on lore
[21:59:32] Ji Ni: star wars galaxies is the massive multiplayer, still going too
[21:59:38] Ina Centaur: yeah maybe try listening to a recording of warcraft
[21:59:45] Ji Ni: my first experience rp'ing a slave lol
[21:59:47] Ina Centaur: yeup tried playing that one with *wars audio book?
[21:59:51] Ji Ni: yep
[22:00:50] Ina Centaur: cool
[22:00:59] Ji Ni: its cool running around on Dathmir, and go running by some ruins and your like omg, that was in the story i just read, thats and ancient sith temple
[22:01:18] Ji Ni: lends to a more immersive experience
[22:01:39] Ji Ni: other people are just like ya ruins whatever just there for ambiance
[22:02:18] Ji Ni: the star wars storyline team is very intense though, they made SOE and Verant stick to the official full scale storyline pretty closely
[22:03:08] Ina Centaur: cool
[22:03:08] Ji Ni: hard to tell i kinda miss that game eh?
[22:03:21] Ina Centaur: never really got into *wars rp..
[22:03:36] Ina Centaur: lol although i did make some *wars av's on sl for fun
[22:03:50] Ji Ni: cool :)
[22:04:51] Ji Ni: i made it to jedi, and had my own imperial warship and all sorts of stuff
[22:05:17] Ji Ni: wow thats nice :)
[22:05:19] Ina Centaur: lol cool
[22:05:51] Ji Ni: but i went nuts rp wise
[22:06:13] Ina Centaur: ?
[22:06:24] Ina Centaur: as in you turned into crazy anikin?
[22:06:27] Ji Ni: i backstoried as a dancer that was almost killed in the crossfire during a rebel attack
[22:06:44] Ji Ni: saved by an imperial lieutennant
[22:06:55] Ji Ni: who basically took me as his slave
[22:07:16] Ina Centaur: lol cool
[22:07:21] Ji Ni: then out of the backstory i was sold into a slave ring rp guild that actually sold players to a clientelle
[22:07:36] Ji Ni: and you had to actually do what they told you to do
[22:07:38] Ina Centaur: human or which alien?
[22:07:46] Ji Ni: aliens and humans
[22:08:26] Ina Centaur: cool
[22:08:44] Ji Ni: which was hard cuz my first owner was some punk kid in the states that made me drop my heavy trooper carrer and respec as a doctor so i could run around after him and heal
[22:08:53] Ji Ni: lol
[22:08:57] Ina Centaur: o.O
[22:09:08] Ji Ni: but thats part of the fun, gotta see where it leads you
[22:09:22] Ji Ni: made good money
[22:09:39] Ji Ni: slaves started at 2million, half went to the slave in 'trust'
[22:09:52] Ji Ni: some bidding went up to 10 million
[22:10:35] Ji Ni: and often the owner is a wuss and gives you all sorts of shit too
[22:11:10] Ina Centaur: lol
[22:11:38] Ji Ni: it was hella fun
[22:12:03] Ji Ni: and the character customisation in swg is similar to SL so you can be a real hottie
[22:12:13] Ji Ni: lots of cool clothes too
[22:12:15] Ina Centaur: lol
[22:12:21] Ina Centaur: so swg vs sl - which would you prefer
[22:12:30] Ji Ni: eh hard to say
[22:12:44] Ji Ni: sl has more 'real' stuff like chats on world politics
[22:13:10] Ji Ni: but swg there is always something to do, fighting crafting hunting hangin with the guildies
[22:13:20] Ji Ni: rp'ing
[22:13:57] Ji Ni: jedi dueling for council rank
[22:14:21] Ji Ni: and if your a jedi your always being hunted by some bounty hunter punks
[22:15:07] Ji Ni: here its mainly build, shop, or chat
[22:15:14] Ji Ni: which wears thing at times
[22:15:19] Ji Ni: thin
[22:15:57] Ina Centaur: yeah kinda like wow
[22:16:01] Ina Centaur: there's always a mission or quest
[22:16:16] Ina Centaur: SL too - but you can completely make up your own missions/quests though
[22:16:55] Ji Ni: ya
[22:17:01] Ji Ni: wow was ok, but it was so contrived
[22:17:31] Ji Ni: like you cant wear armor unless its your 'level'
[22:17:38] Ina Centaur: lol yeah
[22:18:05] Ina Centaur: well it's kinda like that on SL.. you have to either put in time to create your own clothing or pay $L (leveling, kinda
[22:18:23] Ina Centaur: dunno.. or try digging in freebie bins for that rare diamond in the rough
[22:18:34] Ji Ni: in swg it was based on strength, you could arm or wear pretty much anything, but ifyour too weak to effectively fight with it your dead....which is much more realistic
[22:19:06] Ji Ni: or dont have the dexterity to make that lightsaber just dance
[22:19:18] Ji Ni: but never says you cant arm it...just 'because'
[22:19:24] Ji Ni: that drives me nuts
[22:19:50] Ji Ni: in a mmog i expect the same attention to plausibility as i do a good novel
[22:20:21] Ji Ni: there is no excuse for sloppy 'just becasue i said so' crap in a freakin virtual world
[22:20:45] Ji Ni: once again, proof positive im meant to be a mmog designer
[22:21:01] Ji Ni: shit like that would never make it past my desk
[22:21:05] Ina Centaur: it's always possible. if you believe in it enough you couuld rally funding for it
[22:21:21] Ina Centaur: well the key thing is to believe in it enough, let it totally obsess you so that you *have* to do it
[22:21:27] Ina Centaur: ... the rest follows, as long as you stick with it ;-)
[22:21:37] Ji Ni: true...
[22:23:03] Ina Centaur: so.. go for it if you're for it ;-P
[22:23:11] Ji Ni: ok :)
[22:23:43] Ina Centaur: lol ok. so i'll be expecting an historically accurate medieval mmog from you soon ;-P
[22:23:52] Ji Ni: hell ya :)
[22:24:08] Ji Ni: well maybe not historically
[22:24:15] Ji Ni: but certainly plausible
[22:25:16] Ina Centaur: there are a lot of historic traditions that you could use to develop the game's mythos
[22:25:26] Ina Centaur: dunno.. even add in a subtle element of romance in it..
[22:25:36] Ina Centaur: like in medieval days, there used to be this last rite of midsummer..
[22:25:43] Ina Centaur: even the peasants participate in it
[22:25:54] Ina Centaur: they put a candle on some sort of floating thing - anything that floats, usually they make it themselves quickly
[22:26:01] Ina Centaur: they make a wish... and push it off into the lake/river
[22:26:17] Ina Centaur: if their boat sinks, that means their wish will never come true
[22:26:32] Ji Ni: hehe
[22:26:38] Ji Ni: i got alot of ideas like that
[22:26:42] Ina Centaur: -- it's superstition, but if you think about it, it might have high accuracy.. depending on a person's frame of mind, their floating thing might not float as well..
[22:26:54] Ina Centaur: example - if you're crazy, you probably can't make a floating thing well.. and your irrational wish might as well sink
[22:26:58] Ji Ni: like when i was ranting before, i really didnt tell you alot of stuff....i got soo much worked out
[22:27:15] Ina Centaur: i think putting historical folklore like that in can also help expand your pool of funders
[22:27:34] Ina Centaur: also, kids (and college students) will get the excuse that they're playing to learn
[22:27:45] Ji Ni: well i was thinking of putting 'subtle' magic in the game
[22:27:46] Ina Centaur: lol like what?
[22:27:52] Ina Centaur: yeah, def. superstition
[22:27:56] Ina Centaur: church vs witches...
[22:28:01] Ina Centaur: lots of subplots possible
[22:28:10] Ji Ni: like instead of the standard fireballs, frost shields and crap
[22:28:17] Ji Ni: screw that
[22:28:38] Ji Ni: thats been done like yesterdays rock st. hooker
[22:29:10] Ji Ni: like i said before priests can consecrate ground
[22:29:23] Ji Ni: not a commons spell in any mmog
[22:29:35] Ji Ni: subtle yet changes the strategy of the game
[22:30:12] Ji Ni: and it wont come easy
[22:30:25] Ji Ni: like hours of praying in chapels
[22:30:52] Ji Ni: and subtle game mechanics that evaluate your ethics :)
[22:31:23] Ji Ni: like you'd have to play for years to become any kind of high roller mythos vampire
[22:31:41] Ina Centaur: lol
[22:31:56] Ina Centaur: hum.. how about something that lets you apply some RL skills, too..
[22:31:57] Ji Ni: todays games make it too easy
[22:32:04] Ina Centaur: i really like customization
[22:32:06] Ji Ni: hell ya
[22:32:07] Ina Centaur: (as you probably can tell.)
[22:32:25] Ina Centaur: but yeah in a medieval setting you'd probably restrict the fanciness of builds - to keep it era
[22:32:36] Ji Ni: no way :)
[22:32:50] Ji Ni: medival architechure is wild :)
[22:33:06] Ji Ni: seen some of those muslim temples they built omg
[22:33:13] Ji Ni: and christian cathedrals
[22:33:29] Ji Ni: some of the most complex architecture ever was in the medieval ages
[22:33:50] Ji Ni: but thats up to the players
[22:34:10] Ji Ni: for me its more supplying the masonry crafting mechanice
[22:34:17] Ji Ni: rock, iron, wood
[22:34:38] Ina Centaur: yep
[22:34:46] Ina Centaur: did you get to read the book The Pillars of the Earth btw?
[22:34:57] Ina Centaur: if not.. *totally* read it.. (that's also where i found out about that midsummer ritual i just mentioned)
[22:35:15] Ina Centaur: it's an awesome story - and also one of the best modern fic about the medieval era i've read
[22:35:33] Ji Ni: cool :)
[22:35:36] Ina Centaur: it's basically the story of building a cathedral - of course, lots of subplots make it more
[22:35:41] Ina Centaur: but yeah, the problem of supply
[22:35:50] Ina Centaur: especially the obtaining of it - thru politics, war/battles..
[22:35:52] Ina Centaur: is in there
[22:35:55] Ina Centaur: --among much, much more
[22:36:06] Ji Ni: wow cool :)
[22:36:18] Ina Centaur: prologue is cool. then it starts out kinda slow.
[22:36:30] Ina Centaur: but things really start to speed up as you get into it
[22:36:51] Ji Ni: /me scribbles that in her notes
[22:39:44] Ina Centaur: lol.. so yeah read that and read eudeamon
[22:40:07] Ina Centaur: and i totally have to read those mars book.. and maybe that vr book - dunno, when i can stand reading bad prose (have to read too much of that lately lol - need a slight break)
[22:40:27] Ina Centaur: and omg so your world isn't medieval europe?
[22:40:34] Ina Centaur: but medieval world?
[22:40:37] Ina Centaur: you mentioned muslim arc..
[22:41:32] Ji Ni: hrm
[22:41:47] Ji Ni: well more kinda like a firefly world
[22:42:33] Ji Ni: maybe even a bit steampunk at the pinnacle of the crafting tree's
[22:42:46] Ji Ni: but it starts out the low of the low
[22:42:59] Ji Ni: you spawn in the game with a loincloth and a sharp stick man
[22:43:06] Ji Ni: utterly ruthless
[22:43:21] Ji Ni: the rest is up to the players
[22:43:46] Ji Ni: i bet im putting telescopes into the steampunk crafting tree when the players are still trying to figure out herbalism
[22:44:09] Ji Ni: but i wont make it easy, and i wont write any guides
[22:44:20] Ji Ni: although i will seed
[22:44:31] Ji Ni: like ill cruis around in the game invisible
[22:45:06] Ji Ni: if there is a budding township that is rp and has cool peeps ill slide in there and 'suggest' some recipes
[22:45:37] Ji Ni: or something
[22:45:46] Ji Ni: but i want it to be quite hard
[22:46:04] Ji Ni: i find modern mmogs are catering to the lowest common denominator
[22:46:08] Ji Ni: fuck that
[22:46:11] Ina Centaur: lol
[22:46:18] Ina Centaur: well market is important
[22:46:29] Ji Ni: this is a game for people that actually like challenge, and realisme, and plausibility
[22:46:34] Ina Centaur: the biggest part in creating a successful game is being able to keep it up
[22:46:42] Ina Centaur: just making it is like a lot of work - but that's the first step
[22:46:50] Ina Centaur: there are all these great games that just fall apart after a while.. like the sims online for ex
[22:46:50] Ji Ni: lol ya
[22:47:12] Ina Centaur: and there are some crap games like SL where very little time was spent on making it... but keeping it up and creating the hype is what makes it successful
[22:47:22] Ji Ni: hehe
[22:47:27] Ji Ni: ya glitch mania
[22:48:04] Ji Ni: it has to be managed by people that have vision and love the mmog genre though
[22:48:22] Ji Ni: i found that with SWG, once sony online entertainment bought it out, they started dumbing it down
[22:48:36] Ji Ni: and huge player base left
[22:48:44] Ji Ni: left it to the kiddies
[22:48:54] Ji Ni: with no attention span
[22:49:13] Ji Ni: they all wanted to be jedi
[22:49:17] Ji Ni: well tough shit
[22:49:20] Ji Ni: earn it
[22:49:43] Ji Ni: if everyone is jedi it wrecks the game
[22:50:19] Ji Ni: and remember at that time the jedi were hunted, for all they knew luke, leia, and yoda were the only jedi left
[22:50:48] Ji Ni: so there being any jedi in the game at all was a gift
[22:51:09] Ji Ni: but it ended up being 'just another combat class'
[22:52:15] Ji Ni: i played since beta when there were no jedi in the game at all
[22:52:30] Ji Ni: then some rumors started that a jedi was seen here, or there
[22:52:38] Ji Ni: everyone scoffed
[22:53:20] Ji Ni: then i was hangin in a bar one late night and this player walked in
[22:53:37] Ji Ni: started talking to this other player like they knew them
[22:53:47] Ji Ni: and they started to get into a bit of a tiff
[22:54:02] Ji Ni: i perked up because i realised that it was rp, and damn good rp at that
[22:54:28] Ji Ni: then all of a sudden my speakers lit up with that sound....that special sound....of a lightsabre lighting off
[22:54:39] Ji Ni: bwwssshhhhhhwwwwwwzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[22:54:49] Ji Ni: and i just about fell out of my chair
[22:55:02] Ji Ni: zip zip zip and the fight was over
[22:55:24] Ji Ni: the jedi picked up the dropped loot, and rp'd quickly and quietly out of the bar
[22:55:33] Ji Ni: omg man
[22:55:48] Ji Ni: it wasent till MONTHS after that that the jedi were officially announced
[22:56:04] Ji Ni: but they got people so fired up by having the devs go into the game and rping little scenes
[22:56:24] Ji Ni: usially with only an handfull of people around
[22:56:32] Ji Ni: that made it just epic
[22:56:59] Ji Ni: if they kept that, liek say only 1% of the player base could be jedi at a time
[22:57:22] Ji Ni: and if you died you lost your jedi slot and it went tothe next player who got a secretive offer of appretiship
[22:57:38] Ji Ni: that would just pwn
[22:58:15] Ji Ni: it pays to keep somethings exclusive
[22:58:30] Ji Ni: keep some things rare and mysterious
[22:58:45] Ji Ni: and my mmog would have that kinda of shit
[22:59:15] Ji Ni: yet strong enough gameplay that being just a peon is still fun as hell
[22:59:53] Ina Centaur: yeah.. really have to keep at it. often times you've suffered so much in bringing your game to a climax of sorts that your instincts tell you to just sell it before things fall apart (as they're prone to do)
[23:00:03] Ina Centaur: but yeah if you are really emotionally bound to it..
[23:01:21] Ji Ni: how can you not be
[23:01:31] Ji Ni: consider all the hours you pour into a character
[23:02:01] Ji Ni: and how WoW completely spits on that by rewarding you with the same armor everyone else gets
[23:02:14] Ji Ni: yippie
[23:02:23] Ji Ni: such a cookie cutter game
[23:02:31] Ji Ni: and nothing epic
[23:03:15] Ji Ni: well some things they get right i shouldnt be too harsh
[23:03:33] Ji Ni: but then they trip up over little obvious things like having decent clothes
[23:03:50] Ji Ni: fashion is HUGE in mmogs
[23:04:10] Ji Ni: even guys are meticulous about thier avs, somthing that should be encouraged imho
[23:04:37] Ji Ni: or even changing your hairstyle
[23:05:03] Ji Ni: like my warlock could summon demons out of another dimension but pick up a comb? no way
[23:05:25] Ji Ni: makes no sense
[23:06:35] Ina Centaur: well, the thing is..
[23:06:45] Ina Centaur: if you create a game, that's probably going to take time away from what you can actually enjoy of the game..
[23:06:59] Ina Centaur: lol and wow fashion is like... kinda limited imho
[23:07:09] Ina Centaur: just being able choose from some default inventory doesn't really give much creativity imho
[23:07:15] Ji Ni: brutally limited
[23:07:39] Ina Centaur: yeah.. so i always kinda roll my eyes when people try to justify their fashion credentials by saying their wow character is tres fashionable o.O
[23:07:48] Ji Ni: lol
[23:09:21] Ji Ni: id recruit the player base too, id say what tools to use and then players can design shit, send it in and if the dev team likes it its injected into the crafting trees
[23:09:44] Ji Ni: saves labour hours on the dev team and increases player pride
[23:10:28] Ji Ni: might even name the recipe after their character :)
[23:10:34] Ji Ni: or something
[23:10:42] Ji Ni: it
[23:10:45] Ji Ni: erf
[23:11:59] Ji Ni: but ya i worrie that if i become a dev then ill grow to hate mmogs, it will become just a job
[23:11:59] Ina Centaur: lol
[23:12:21] Ina Centaur: well the important thing is to see it as something you'd do if you could do anything else in the world...
[23:12:35] Ina Centaur: and that's kind of what ties you to it - even if sony does try to buy you off (and you know sony would turn it evil :-O)
[23:12:50] Ji Ni: i know a guy that dreamt of being a pilot for as long as i knew him, when he became a commercial pilot it killed the dream
[23:12:50] Ina Centaur: so yeah, it can't be just a job that way
[23:12:55] Ji Ni: true
[23:13:11] Ina Centaur: lol i'd imagine so.. those guys don't really get to do much except landing and lifting
[23:13:12] Ji Ni: SOE would have to dance to my tune, ill never forgive them for wrecking SWG
[23:13:17] Ina Centaur: i'm guessing he wanted to be a fighter pilot?
[23:13:35] Ji Ni: ya lol
[23:13:45] Ji Ni: but he just hates it now
[23:14:02] Ina Centaur: well, there's a difference between that and this though.
[23:14:03] Ji Ni: the politics, the hours, being way from the family
[23:14:08] Ina Centaur: piloting a plane isn't about creating something..
[23:14:26] Ina Centaur: so you're not as bound to your creation.. and even if you create something, there's a degree of apathy you can have - based partly on your own principles and your actual involvement
[23:14:38] Ji Ni: good point :)
[23:14:46] Ina Centaur: i've seen some funds from granting agencies being totally badly used due to the apathy of the grant applicant
[23:15:17] Ina Centaur: they seem to just want to get their names in the headlines rather than to actually do the project. i believe *before* they started the project, they actually had some enthusiasm.. but it's not enough for them to truly love the project
[23:15:29] Ji Ni: grr i hate those people
[23:15:40] Ina Centaur: and that's really the big difference between your ordinary run-of-the-mill crud.. and something truly good
[23:16:00] Ji Ni: thats why i want to be on the design team, not a programmer
[23:16:12] Ji Ni: if i get all caught up in coding ill just hate it
[23:16:25] Ji Ni: i need to be on the creative end, the vision end
[23:16:32] Ina Centaur: well, you could try doing multiple things as well
[23:16:55] Ina Centaur: sometimes, with startup's like this is that often times you might have to know a bit of everything - and even be good at everything - to get it started
[23:17:10] Ji Ni: aye true
[23:17:30] Ji Ni: or have a few good flying monkeys that are like that :)
[23:17:48] Ji Ni: i can charm them and make them coffee
[23:17:58] Ji Ni: as they furiously code in my wild ideas
[23:18:17] Ji Ni: nooooo she has to be raped THIS way
[23:18:23] Ji Ni: lol
[23:19:38] Ji Ni: im like the tad williams of mmogs
[23:19:57] Ji Ni: all ideas, but omg dont let me near any real coding
[23:20:47] Ji Ni: but now thats what the mmog world needs, they have the killer visuals now, the good sound good physics engines
[23:21:15] Ji Ni: but given that they are all cranking out the same game with slightly different this or that
[23:21:27] Ji Ni: snore
[23:23:13] Ina Centaur: lol!!!
[23:23:32] Ina Centaur: yeah true..
[23:23:55] Ina Centaur: but yeah, the first step after you've got a bunch of ideas is to try putting together a business plan
[23:24:04] Ina Centaur: marketing would be a big part of it - where you analyze your target audience, roi' and all that
[23:24:26] Ji Ni: my target is squarely on the old school rp crowd
[23:25:03] Ji Ni: people that want an immersive, plausible and long game world
[23:25:36] Ji Ni: i should put together a game design package
[23:25:41] Ji Ni: good idea
[23:25:44] Ina Centaur: yup!!
[23:25:51] Ji Ni: at least it will help flesh things out even more
[23:25:58] Ina Centaur: definitely
[23:26:32] Ji Ni: so then it really can just be handed off to coders
[23:26:52] Ji Ni: sketches and everything
[23:27:30] Ji Ni: hehe
[23:28:10] Ji Ni: wow ive talked your ear off tonight
[23:29:13] Ina Centaur: lol yeah i guess
[23:31:05] Ji Ni: i should cruise around a bit and see what people are up to
[23:32:07] Ji Ni: Have a good night :) cya tomorrow hehe
[23:32:08] Ina Centaur: sure..
[23:32:09] Ina Centaur: ttyl tc!
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